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The Young Effect, my gift to the free energy movement!

Started by captainpecan, November 16, 2008, 11:02:42 PM

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Clu

Hi All!  I'm brand new to the site, it's 3:21 am, and I just had to share...

Wow.  What a great thread!  I just spent the last 3 hours reading every one of the posts on here right from the very beginning on Nov 17th.  I'm so damn tired that I'm about to start typing like Ist (the video with the microwave transformer sparking across the magnets was awesome by the way). 

I'm a bit of a tinkerer, have read way too many books, and am way short on practical exp which is why I was so interested in the videos on here etc.  I had a good laugh somewhere in the middle of all this because someone mentioned Chain Reaction which I actually worked on (special effects).

I don't know if any of you have read a long thread all the way through like this... but damn... what a show! 

To Captainpecan... I'm going to get some parts and start playing tomorrow.  What a great way for people to start educating themselves and just ask "so... why is this happening...".

To all the folks on here suggesting experiments and testing procedures, you guys rock.  I can't wait to give some of this a try.

Thank you all for a very entertaining and educational night.  And good luck!

Clu





sparks

Captain Pecan.   

      Why don't you use two motors and double the work on your voltage trip from cap to cap.  You can also get more power if you make sure the rotor AND the stator does work.  The stator lifts up one weight while the rotor lifts up another weight.  Then when you use two motors you will have four weights moving up for each charge transfer.  Should increase the efficiency of your circuit. :)
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shinz62

Hi All,

This is my first post. I've been lurking here for a long time, about a year and a half.

This thread caught my eye because I had thought of this before myself. Charge a capacitor get some work done. I am convinced there is something here to explore. It's a kind of controlled resonance.

@CaptainPecan

Great job on the videos and holding up under pressure.

I tried duplicating your experiment with some cap's I've pulled out of an old dead PC power supply. Right off the bat I was getting spectacular results. Then I noticed that if I re-arranged the cap's it changed my result significantly. I came to discover that all these equally marked caps did not perform equally. Then for sake of experiment I tried using a significantly smaller cap capable of holding significantly higher voltage to charge and I got what I expected. A much higher ending voltage.

In summary. Just measuring voltage doesn't tell you the whole story. You've got to actually measure the capacitance of the capacitor too. Especially electrolytic cap's which can and do break down over time. You get a higher voltage in the destination cap when it has a smaller capacitance and a lower voltage when it has a higher capacitance. The larger the inductor the more current is kept flowing during the charge.

When thinking of a circuit to repeat the cycle, I thought of 3 or 4 caps, then always chose the one with the least voltage to charge with the one with the most voltage (assuming they all are the same capacitance). Well I could not get this idea to work in hand testing after a few days I gave up. I'm not sure what to try next. But I still think something clever might work to be able to "reuse" the potential multiple times and get significantly higher efficiencies than we normally see. Possibly by reversing a charge to increase the potential has merit but you can't really do this with your electrolytic caps if you try  giving them a reverse charge they will break down easily. 

Sorry I don't have more help to offer.

Good luck, and keep up the good work.

Shinz.

innovation_station

i must say that is an awsome post!!!!


you nailed it down !!!


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To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L  however  by virtue of its self induction  offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge  wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......TESLA..

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poynt99

A short footnote and clarification to what's in the document here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item207
and what I've said in previous posts regarding transfer efficiency.

I've noted that with a given capacitor value, below a certain L/R ratio the transfer efficiency will always be 50% or less. The relationship actually has to do with time constants.

For capacitors, Tau=RC
For Inductors, Tau= L/R

In the document, I showed that increasing the L/R ratio of the inductor resulted in being able to break over n= 50%. Another way to achieve this is to reduce the value of the capacitors! This may seem counter-intuitive, but it is so.

The setup was:
C1,C2 = 4700u
L1 = 30mH, 5.3 Ohms DCR

Let's look at the tau in each case.

C=> 5.3 Ohms X 4700u
tau = 24.9ms

L=> 30mH / 5.3 Ohms
tau = 5.66ms

This 5-fold difference is the reason we could not break n=50% with the values. This is the "swamping effect" I mentioned before.

If captainpean was to reduce his capacitors to a value of 1000u, he would see a n > 50%. Why?

C=> 5.3 Ohms X 1000u
tau = 5.3ms

The tau's are now about equal. Reduce the cap values more, and again the efficiency will increase.

Of course as we continue to reduce the capacitance value, it makes it more and more difficult to get an accurate "reading" on the capacitor voltage with standard meters, because simply attaching the meter will begin to quickly discharge the cap throwing off the true reading. I guess that's why everyone uses huge caps in their experiments.

Hope that makes things a little more clear.

Regards,
.99
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