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The Young Effect, my gift to the free energy movement!

Started by captainpecan, November 16, 2008, 11:02:42 PM

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HEYDUDE

QuoteThe part I don't understand is why the motor stops spinning if the caps. still have current in them, especially if it's more current then at the beginning of the test.

When the charge is equal on the capacitors, the current stops flowing (voltage across motor is zero and therefore current goes to zero.)

The motor acts like an inductor with rotational inertia replacing magnetic inertia. The motor does no real work in this case as it returns any current it uses to rev up back to the capacitors as it revs down. (minus frictional and resistive losses)

Load the shaft and everything changes as work is done to drive the load. Then less energy will be seen in the capacitors.

There is nothing in these circuits that is unconventional and cannot be explained by OHMS LAW and the  equations governing CHARGE and INDUCTANCE.

Those confused please open a book or do some careful lab type experiments, the fog will quickly lift.

Lack of understanding of the devices being tested leads to much confusion, and the forest is deep and dark.

TinselKoala

"When the charge is equal on the capacitors, the current stops flowing "

Are you sure about that? I'd say, when the voltage is equal, the current stops flowing. If you have a 0.1 mFd cap and a 1 mFd cap, each at 10 volts, there is much more charge in the 1 mFd cap, since (Charge)=(Voltage)x(Capacitance). Only if the caps have exactly the same capacitance will they have the same charge, at equal voltages. But current will flow as long as the voltages aren't equal.

HEYDUDE

Quote"When the charge is equal on the capacitors, the current stops flowing "

Are you sure about that? I'd say, when the voltage is equal, the current stops flowing. If you have a 0.1 mFd cap and a 1 mFd cap, each at 10 volts, there is much more charge in the 1 mFd cap, since (Charge)=(Voltage)x(Capacitance). Only if the caps have exactly the same capacitance will they have the same charge, at equal voltages. But current will flow as long as the voltages aren't equal.

All along we have been talking about equal value caps although no one has actually measured any of the caps in question (to be precise)

Of course, the quoted statement only applies to equal value caps.. You are correct to modify this statement as it does not hold for caps of unequal value.

Koen1

@AbbaRue:
Well, it seems to me that we should not count the step
where the caps are charged from the battery via the motor,
as you will be expending energy directly from the battery
before getting it into the caps, and that won't be easy to
measure (unless you're going to use exact measurements
on the current from the battery).
If the idea was to compare the energy in vs energy out by
measuring the charge on caps before and after, then it
seems to me we may want to leave the battery out of it
for now.

@CaptainPecan:
And the rest of it sounds increasingly like Bedini's "radiant energy"
"battery charger" motors, as described in his book "Free Energy
Generation".
Really: the monopole pulse motor, the "energy spike"...

Perhaps you're trying to re-invent Bedini's motor here?
Have you checked out Bedini's motor designs yet?

It seems to me that, if this is really what you're focusing on,
your "Young effect" may in fact be the "Bedini effect"... ?

I would advise to take a look at the different Bedini motor designs
to see the similarities for yourself. :)

Oh, and on the trafo stuff: yes, obviously it would only work when
we already know the efficiency of the transformer. But fortunately
we do know the efficiencies of most transformers. It's the capacitor
circuit that we want to measure the efficiency of, and with a known
trafo efficiency that should be a fairly easy calculation.
But hey, it was just a suggestion to try and get around the "cap voltage
vs cap energy" problem and make your measurement and comparisons
easier. It's your experiment so it's up to you if you want to use it. :)

captainpecan

Quote from: Koen1 on December 05, 2008, 06:55:14 AM
@CaptainPecan:
And the rest of it sounds increasingly like Bedini's "radiant energy"
"battery charger" motors, as described in his book "Free Energy
Generation".
Really: the monopole pulse motor, the "energy spike"...

Perhaps you're trying to re-invent Bedini's motor here?
Have you checked out Bedini's motor designs yet?

It seems to me that, if this is really what you're focusing on,
your "Young effect" may in fact be the "Bedini effect"... ?

I would advise to take a look at the different Bedini motor designs
to see the similarities for yourself. :)

Actually, I'm well aware of Bedini's work.  In fact, it was my work with the school girl monopole that got me thinking down this path to begin with.  I've been trying to learn as much as possible from Bedini, and Cole's work also. The path I sorta drifted down, and I make a mention of it I think in video 1, was that most of what I've seen from Bedini's work deals directly with shorting out the battery for the pulse, then switching the circuit over to dump the collapsing field into another battery.  The small difference with what I'm attempting to accomplish, is no direct short from the battery for a pulse. To simply pass the pulse right through the coils and land in another capacitor.  With capacitor energy losses at serious question, Bedini's way could still end up being the best, who knows.  I do feel there is something to the theory of passing the energy "through" the motor as apposed to shorting out the batter "to" the motor.  I'm just trying to adjust it somehow so we can elimate those batteries in the end.

To be technical, most everything on this entire forum could be called the "Tesla Effect"!  ;)
In fact, Bedini makes many references to Tesla when he discusses his work also.  Afterall, I think most everything we are "learning" now, Tesla already "knew" then!  I cant even imagine how far he would have gotten if he had the tools to work with that we all have now!  Mind boggling.