Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods

[Nali2001]

I know this is old tech but some might be interested.
An old approached to a Lenz less generator:

The idea is:
Lenz can only hinder your input when you move the magnet, or coil in relation to each other.
So what happens if you have a generator where you do not move the coil or the magnet at all?
In fact the coil and magnet are stationary, and you only 'switch' the flux pathway between them.

This concept can be found in a few 'older' designs and I guess the more 'famous' one is the Ecklin-Brown setup.
Of should I say the Lindemann setup? Anyway here is some info on that one, with some added resent info from Lindemann.

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/fluxgate/index.htm

Oh and here is a variation of me to that same general idea, you can also look at it as a 'mechanical meg':

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/NewPMgen001.wmv

Regards,
Steven

[sparks]

A nali2001

   Like this?  The pm in this diagram could also rotate 180 degrees so that the next time the stator is exposed  the magnetic dipole moments are reversed by the pm.  Has this been tested before?

[Nali2001]

Hi Sparks,
Well you show the "partially screening approach"
I guess it could work. Few things to consider here is the issue that the 'shield' has to be tick enough to re-route all the fields from the magnet. And a second issue is the the Eddy current drag in such a solid screen.

You probably know this already but Alan Frankoeur made a thing called the "interference disk generator" do a google search.
If I am not mistaken he eventually went to Metglass screens. Don't know what really became of it.

[wattsup]

@Guys

Good discussion.

For me, motor drag is a 360 degree sticky spot. Magnet against magnet, regardless of if it is a magnet or a coil, as long as a N and S rotor is moving next to the N and S of a stator.

Let me give you guys some practical advises on what not to do when testing this line of work or research with electric motors.

OK, to start off let me say that using modern day AC or DC motors as drive motors and generators is a total and absolute waste of time. This I did not realize then after many many types of tests, if I knew what I see today, I would not have wasted so much time. Why. Because anything of modern day motors that have a commutator will not work in OU, regardless of if it is RV or any other. If it is standard issue, you will have to work that motor seriously before it can become suitable for OU testing.

Why, well the problem is commutator motors use brushes, which are wider then one width of a commutator copper strip called a "segment". So there is always four segments connected at all times. The flyback is lost because the brushes will then simply disengage from the commutator segments opening the previously energized coil from both ends. Not very good for catching flyback so they get hot. I am such a shmuck for not realizing this before. lol

A DC Motor. Hey let's use it as a generator. No good. Again why, well for any type of efficiency, the generator should produce current from 360 degrees since the drive motor is expending energy to rotate it in 360 degrees, but most DC motors only have a two permanent magnet stator and wound rotor with only some of the rotor coils being connected to the output at any given time (this is because the DC motor was originally designed to provide a motive force through successive coil activation via the commutator). You will be turning the rotor 360 degrees but have power output potential on only around 200 degrees and only at the points where the brushes decide to connect the output rotor coil per rotation. OU Robbery 1st Class. Also generators should not produce flyback if all the coils are always engaged. If your generator is producing flyback, it's wasting output.

Flyback is best to occur in the drive motor not in the generator. If the drive motor has three or four brushes, two at 180 degrees and two at one segment after the first two according to the direction of rotation, the two off brushes can be used to catch the flyback. Or, if only one of only a two brush system, one brush should be the width of one segment and the other the width of two segments, you can catch flyback. Otherwise these standard motors are unfortunately a total and major waste of time.

So guys using standard identical motors in an RV set-up are just wasting time because at the base base of these motors is a built-in nullification for OU. A motor design cannot be an efficient drive motor and expect it to be an efficient generator motor. You can cap the drive motor all you want, it will never equal the energy you can get back via an aggressive flyback. You can make a 1hp AC drive motor turn with 100 watts with the right caps, but this is still wasting flyback, and your 100 watts will never be enough to overcome the generator losses and drag under any serious load.

Drive motors using a wider brush then one segment and that also have an armature have totally detracted from Tesla's original teaching on why to use an armature in the first place. Tesla uses an armature when his total design calls for an interrupted feed. While the feed is cut, Tesla knows that the armature will having enough magnetic polarity to still push the rotor forward to the next energized commutator segment. So he was getting one free segment movement plus the flyback returning to source. Good deal.

To expect any chance at OU with motor/motor setups here is a summary.

DRIVE MOTOR
- needs to have more then two brushes so the 3rd and 4th can be used to catch flyback. If you cannot catch flyback off the drive motor you are wasting input energy which will be added to the losses you will have to overcome in order to show OU. That's like running a marathon with only one leg. Good Luck.

GENERATOR MOTOR

- The design should be such that the generator rotor/stator exchange occurs all throughout the rotors 360 degree rotation and not only during a portion of the total rotation. This means DC motors with commutators and two PM's are the worst type to use. I am shocked to realize this now.
- General rule, the generator must have slip rings and not a commutator.

Best advice. Look at what you are "really" using for drive and generator. Understand fully how these motors are made and how they work and you will realize that 99 times out of 100 they are advanced checkmate for OU.

wattsup

[wings]

Hi folks, just wanted to mention Ive never read Garry stanley mention he didnt obtain results with the 6 magnet/stator layout and ive looked through all posts i could find and ive built the same motor which is by far the best running motor ive built to date and have built many. Where is Garry Stanley anyway, what happened to him.

Garry Stanley old pages

http://web.archive.org/web/20070614070723/http://www.cable.net.nz/ou/

http://web.archive.org/web/20070614222455/www.cable.net.nz/ou/Lenz.html