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Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods

Started by supermuble, November 19, 2008, 03:48:27 PM

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gyulasun

Hi BEP,

Thank you for showing your very interesting setup, I like it!

Your explanations included in Reply#121 helped in understanding why the flux does not change in the  stator leg on the right hand side going to the right hand side pole of the ring magnet. Putting this explanation otherwise, at meaningful RPMs (say above some ten or hundred or so) the flux in the right hand side leg will be constant because its value AVERAGES out to a certain value from the alternately facing or not facing rotor and stator areas as if there were always a closed magnetic circuit with a certain (static) flux value of the ring magnet while the flux changes of course in the left hand side and in the middle legs (shown with the coils) of the stator. Very clever idea indeed. 

So in the stator leg with the coils the flux changes from a very low value (in case of using materials with low remanent flux)  up to the AVERAGE flux set up by the ring magnet strength and the air gaps and the permeabilities of the oblique motor and the stator materials. This flux change will induce voltage in the coils and current if a load is connected.

Question arises what happens with the flux created in the stator legs by the load current?  I think the two triangle facing ends of these stator legs with some air gap between them are meant for closing this flux within the two legs, is that right?  If I am not right then why are the facing triangle shaped leg endings needed?

Thanks again for sharing and wish you also Merry Christmas.

Regards,
Gyula


BEP

The triangle shapes (feet - I call them) serve two purposes.

1. Enables smooth transition of the 'concentrated' flux from one stator pole to another.
2. In this level of design - allows the 'Lenz generated' flux a connection return path so it does not try to go through the magnet.

I'm not sure what you see with the 'averages' part. The first attempt had only one coil on the far left. Both stator arms were still there. The basic idea is to continue a path for flux connection but move that path in an alternating fashion, through one stator pole then the other and back.

Basically a magneto (none German version) but the rotor axis is rotated 90 deg. on the axis of the rotor.

sparks

     My rotor doesn't move BEP unless you want to use it for a voltage regulator. ;D  I got to refer to Tesla's efficient ozone generator.  Notice that introduction of power from the mains is through two chokes charging a capacitor.  This is a series resonant circuit charging a load capacitor.  The chokes impedance resists current changes while it does not resist voltage.  The power factor who gives a shit the capacitor charges cause it likes voltage and could give a damn about current.  Of course there is ohmic losses but how much resistance does big fat wire wrapped around a piece of steel heat up? 
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BEP

Sorry Sparks

I thought you were talking about my design. I offered it as one way to avoid Lenz law problems and still use the positive aspects of Lenz's law.

While cancelling Lenz's law is ridiculous (IMHO), avoiding the problems can be done more than one way.

This idea is a more mechanical one and should be easier for most folks to understand.

The heat generated in these coils is from the common reason. - Eddy currents. A later version avoids the heat better but I haven't found a need to go that route, yet.

This is a very old project for me. While it should be one answer to the stumbling block for many my current project  uses no coils or electronics to generate torque. I'll be concentrating on that most of the time.

BEP

Ahh!

I see what you meant by averages....

Averages require a range of varying data.

The integer does not change. There is nothing to average unless you are talking about the smallest of gradients. ( on the stator section directly above the magnet.) This is where most of the work had to be done. I tried adjustable gaps at each stator/rotor connection until I found the right gaps.

Basically I used the generator as a lathe and hit the rotor with a file until I found the balance.