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Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods

Started by supermuble, November 19, 2008, 03:48:27 PM

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gyulasun

Quote from: wings on November 20, 2008, 06:40:35 AM
The best anti - lentz motor....It works great:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-energy/files/anti-lenz/stanley_anti_lenz.gif

http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/garry2coils.html

http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=510

http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/pugh.html 


Hi Wings,

I do not know if you built Garry's anti-Lenz motor but Stefan modified his comments written on his own drawing you attached ? Here is his comments on his ex free-energy yahoo group (where his drawing also was uploaded), message #2506

Hi All, after rechecking again my cables it seems that I made one mistake in connecting the coils.
Now after remeasuring the coils as shown in the diagramm, the induction voltage from the magnet adds up,instead of canceling, so after rethinking about it, I came to find the error: I used 2 equally wound coils. That is wrong !
Now if you look from behind each coil into the direction airgap it is clear, that one coil has to be left-turn wound and the other
coil has to be right-turn wound !
This is not the case with 2 equally wound coils and just rotating one by 180 degrees !
So this is very important and wrongly stated in my diagramm.
I will tommorow wind another coil the right way and retest it and post it.  Regards, Stefan.

And later he continued in his reply#2579:
Hi all,  I changed here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-energy/files/anti-lenz/  the description of the stanley_anti_lenz.gif file into:  it does not work...
Sorry, but I will still keep the file up there for reference.
Now we have to find out, why Garry gets only 2 Volts out when he turns his motor manually, although a single coil puts out 9 Volts. How is he canceling the lenz law induction in his motor...?  Regards, Stefan.


Another thing I mention is that Garry's setup as shown with the two parallel connected coil pairs is for pulse motors and NOT for generators, i.e. not to induce current into a load (in Garry's motor there was no any load across any of the paralleled coil pairs). This clarifies the controversy shown in Ron's excellent tests made with the different coil-connecting combinations in the link you gave ( http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/pugh.html ).

I personally believe that the correct term to examine here is the counter (or back) EMF induced in the coils when the magnet is approaching, this is not the question of Lenz law effect.  When the paralled coil pair is energized to pull the approaching magnet in,  it is sure the magnet induces an opposing voltage/current in the coils with respect to our input voltage/current just like in a normal DC motor with permanent magnets. The difference is that the input voltage is switched off when the magnet arrives at the coils center, so no input current, hence no more counter EMF current. The good thing is that Garry used 12 coil pairs and 12 magnet pairs so he seemed to "gain flux" from the many Neo magnets. I say this because later Garry wrote that when he reduced the coil pairs to 6 the ou effect he had seemed to experience was gone.

Finally please notice this thread here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5890.0   maybe this is a genuine solution for getting rid of back emf ?    I think it is worth considering.

rgds,  Gyula

supermuble

I am going to make a very compact alternator just to experiment with out of a long magnet that has N and S running lengthwise. This magnet is larger than the one shown in the pic. I will also wrap the coils all the way around.

Faraday's law of induction says that when you cut lines of force with a magnet at 90 degrees (right hand angles) you get the most induced current. So that is why the Bedini-Cole window motor works. According to some other electrical theories in the book, you shouldn't be able to create electricity without having Lenz's law, but we know this is not correct. The books are misleading.

I've tested this arrangement at 1400 rpm and it produces 99 MA and 1.125 volts. It is only about 3" long with the center cores. Hooking it to a Dremel at low speed made 500ma and 3 volts. With 6 times more copper and a larger magnet, I should be able to produce something useable without Lenz law.



Nali2001

One other Lenz free thing is the 'attraction motor' or rather a pulse driven variable reluctance motor. Since the 'torque producing method' involved does not use/interact with secondary magnetic fields (say, a rotor with magnets) it does not have a back emf. But it's a motor and not a generator....
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/271-electric-motor-secrets.html

sparks

  It would appear that the best way to get around Lenz law is to effect the magnetic flux density of the coil core with something that doesn't care about the induced current. Is there a way to retard the current of the coil so that the prime mover is long gone before the coil current flows.  Like a cap bank to get a leading voltage and lagging current.  Then pull the current through a current transformer cap network to put things back in phase?
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@Supermuble & All

Thanks Supermuble for opening this thread  :) It rekindled an old Idea I had but never tried  :P

Has anyone looked at this link? http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields10.htm in #3 it talks about Ed Leedskalnin mentioning "I made more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper"  :o  If you click on the Ed Leedskalnin link or go to http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/exper/magcur.htm and near the bottom there's a paragraph that starts with "Now about a generator" that's interesting.

Also, after reading about the Jeff Cook Effect Generator some time ago I wondered if his type of iron wire coil couldn't be applied to a Bedini setup and what it might do ??? I wasn't able to find a local source of this type of wire but I'm going to start looking again  ;D

Regards,
Paul