Joule Thief

[jeanna]

here is the thread

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=972.0

An Italian contributor named sutra told about rochelle salt and gave the recipe. Or someone else did. Sutra lived near someplace that had a natural supply or something like that.

It is easily made using sodium carbonate which is washing soda and cream of tartar. but check out that thread.

I wonder if one of them like Koen1 would be interested in pulsing one of their already-made crystal concoctions.?? or tourmaline?  or magnetite?

ha

jeanna

[TheNOP]

the EB is both galvanic and not galvanic at same time.
xee2 and Pirate88179 are both part right about what they are saying.

there are charges potentials imbalances in earth soil.
is it not much different then taking a measurement across a resistor.
those charges imbalances can be caused by a lots of things, be it chimical or not.
the electrodes are not always what is causing the chimical charges imbalances phenomena.

from what i understand of nature, everythings affect every other things in a way or in an other.
i have never saw a single phenomena occuring without an other phenomena also being present.
you can see the dominance of a specific phenomena in nature, but they are never alone.
everything in nature is in an imbalenced state and are trying to balance themself.



@gadgetmall
filaments in cfl are use to heat and ionize the cfl's mecury vapor, not to vaporise it, it is already in a vapor state.
this is needed at 60Hz in order to excite the vapor to a point that it start to conduct current, so it can emit UV light.
the intense UV light is then poorly converted to visible light by the phosphor on the tube's wall.
the filaments are only using a small part of the current provided by the ballast.

an ordinary 4 feet tube ballast is normaly 80 watt with a 7.5kV output.
ask yourself why, at 7.5kV, it still can't light without the heater filaments and why a jt can light them up without the filaments.
what is the biggest difference between the 2 supplies...

[gadgetmall]

the EB is both galvanic and not galvanic at same time.
xee2 and Pirate88179 are both part right about what they are saying.

there are charges potentials imbalances in earth soil.
is it not much different then taking a measurement across a resistor.
those charges imbalances can be caused by a lots of things, be it chimical or not.
the electrodes are not always what is causing the chimical charges imbalances phenomena.

from what i understand of nature, everythings affect every other things in a way or in an other.
i have never saw a single phenomena occuring without an other phenomena also being present.
you can see the dominance of a specific phenomena in nature, but they are never alone.
everything in nature is in an imbalenced state and are trying to balance themself.



@gadgetmall
filaments in cfl are use to heat and ionize the cfl's mecury vapor, not to vaporise it, it is already in a vapor state.
this is needed at 60Hz in order to excite the vapor to a point that it start to conduct current, so it can emit UV light.
the intense UV light is then poorly converted to visible light by the phosphor on the tube's wall.
the filaments are only using a small part of the current provided by the ballast.

an ordinary 4 feet tube ballast is normaly 80 watt with a 7.5kV output.
ask yourself why, at 7.5kV, it still can't light without the heater filaments and why a jt can light them up without the filaments.
what is the biggest difference between the 2 supplies...

No there is liquid Mercury in it and it vaporizes from the heat of the filiment. changes from a solid to a gas from the heat he Gas that is in it is Argon or krypton or xexon  not mercury vapor. Have you ever noticed silver coating on th ends of a tube . patent says  :n combination with a discharge lamp comprising an elongated light-transmitting arc tube containing a predetermined amount of mercury which when fully vaporized during normal operation of said lamp will provide a predetermined pressure of mercury vapor therein, and an outer light-transmitting envelope having an interior surface spaced from and enclosing said arc tube, the improvement which comprises: You need to read up on them here . After the mercury Vaporizes the Starter turns off the filiments and iniatiates the Hv to Light the tube . after the tube is lit the Mercury goes solid again . thus that is why you have to restart them . Or the old ones that use current hungry balast . 4 watt floro bulb is the filament wattage .
http://home.howstuffworks.com/fluorescent-lamp2.htm

Gadget

[TheNOP]

No there is Mercury in it and it vaporizes from the heat of the filiment. Have you ever noticed silver coating on th eends of a tubr . patent says  :n combination with a discharge lamp comprising an elongated light-transmitting arc tube containing a predetermined amount of mercury which when fully vaporized during normal operation of said lamp will provide a predetermined pressure of mercury vapor therein, and an outer light-transmitting envelope having an interior surface spaced from and enclosing said arc tube, the improvement which comprises:

you are assuming that the mercury is in, or on, the filaments.
this is only partly true for the mercury being on the filaments.
it is everywhere in the tube.

  elongated light-transmitting arc tube containing a predetermined amount of mercury

does not mean that the mercury is in a liquid state initially.
it does not say it is not either.

which when fully vaporized during normal operation

does not mean that the mercury was not, in part, in a vapor state initialy.
it does however mean that part of the mercury is not fully in a vapor state, when not in normal operation.

if what you are assuming was true, a jt would not be able to light cfls.

ever eared about nocive mercury vapors at room temperature ?

[gadgetmall]

you are assuming that the mercury is in, or on, the filaments.
this is only partly true for the mercury being on the filaments.
it is everywhere in the tube.
does not mean that the mercury is in a liquid state initially.
it does not say it is not either.
does not mean that the mercury was not, in part, in a vapor state initialy.
it does however mean that part of the mercury is not fully in a vapor state, when not in normal operation.

if what you are assuming was true, a jt would not be able to light cfls.

I'm not going to argue with you . Yes there is a few drops of liquid mercury in tube light . break the end off one and catch it . I have do it many times .Also take along cold one and tip it back and forth . you can see the mercury roll from side to side . A fugi or high voltage or sec or tesla coil have the HF voltage to overcome and light the argon or xeon  like in a neon . for milli amps . As you see they are simply making us spend money on good electricity when we are doing it from a fraction . you wont see these Jts on the widespread market cause Ge want you to spend money on electricity . Now imagin taking all the cfl bulbs that take 26 watts to light the filament in them and take the little toroid in it and change the circuit from hot to cold and then you have alight that runs from 14 ma 1 volt  rather than 26 watts at 117 . well then you could light your whole house on less than one watt . they know that will kill the oil and economy . I hate them money grubbing Politics about spend and spend . Look ay Mylow .National security  got his but for somthing that can give energy for free.
Gadget