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Why does mass slow time?

Started by gravityblock, November 25, 2008, 05:31:30 AM

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tournamentdan

Quote from: gravityblock on June 22, 2009, 12:35:30 AM
The length of an object is also the distance between point A and point B, and the length of the object is not nothing, so why is the length of space nothing when it doesn't apply to the length of an object?
I was referring to this comment about the distance not having mass. Time does not create flux it does not create a sound wave. Time is not real. It is only a measurement There is no past only memories.
I'll see your theory, and raise you mine!!!

newbie123

QuoteNature has it's own Time Clock that is tied to the very fabric of space.  Forget about your own measurements of time, cause nature has it's own independent Time that it is running off of that can be manipulated by mass and space.

No.  There is no universal reference frame or "time",  time is just  relative to gravity and velocity...  But our perception (i.e. within a moving frame) is supposed  be constant (like c) regardless of your velocity through space  or the amount of gravity you're experiencing, your time perception is constant,   from what I understand..   If this isn't the case please show me a reference.
Until you can measure it, arguing about something can be many things.. But science is not one of them.

gravityblock

Quote from: newbie123 on June 30, 2009, 08:54:17 PM
No.  There is no universal reference frame or "time",  time is just  relative to gravity and velocity...  But our perception (i.e. within a moving frame) is supposed  be constant (like c) regardless of your velocity through space  or the amount of gravity you're experiencing, your time perception is constant,   from what I understand..   If this isn't the case please show me a reference.

Time is variable with no universal reference frame or time.  After saying this, I will say it again.  "Nature has it's own Time Clock that is tied to the very fabric of space.  Forget about your own measurements of time, cause nature has it's own independent Time that it is running off of that can be manipulated by mass and space". 

You're looking at this from your perspective, and I'm looking at this from the universe's perspective.  We'll all learn more if we change our own reference frame to another reference frame instead of just looking at our own.

If Time wasn't variable, then light wouldn't be C in all frames of references.  This is the basis of Relativity Theory, that all experiments thus far agrees with.  C = Constant,  The speed of light is (C)onstant in all frames!

Your time perception may be constant, but this is all relative, and doesn't mean your perception of Time is correct, since everything around you will be following the same Time.   If your moving at half C, and you measure the speed of light from your spacecraft to be at C while an outside stationary observer measures the light from your spacecraft to be at C, then the perception of Time is the same for the local and outside observer.  It is obvious, that light is moving at half C relative to his spacecraft for the local observer, but the local observer measures it to be at C because time has slowed down for him, thus giving him the same perception as the outside observer.  In reality time has slowed down for the local observer, which allows him to perceive the speed of light to have the same value as an outside stationary observer.

The perception of Time and the reality of Time are different from each other.  I don't think we are in disagreement.  I do think you are trying to confuse the issue or to make it more complicated than it needs to be.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

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gravityblock

Quote from: tournamentdan on June 30, 2009, 08:34:40 PM
I was referring to this comment about the distance not having mass. Time does not create flux it does not create a sound wave. Time is not real. It is only a measurement There is no past only memories.

A sound wave and flux?  A sound wave has nothing to do with this and we're not talking about magnets or magnetic flux (I'm not sure where you got this sound wave idea from...it wasn't from me.  The mentioning of a sound wave, leads me to believe you have no understanding of this whatsoever.  The gamma ray and radio waves are electromagnetic waves and are not sound waves.  A gamma ray is very close to being a continuous stream of energy, but it is still delivered in packets....meaning it has a mass and is affected by Time).  Oh, I mentioned something about magnets and metals......so you could see how something that is massless, the flux, can have an affect on something that has mass, a metal piece....but I never expected you to think I was saying that Time creates a flux....  LOL

I hate to burst your bubble, but physicists have already sent a single photon back in Time.  If there was no past, but just memories, then how did they send the photon back through Time?

I'm looking for the reference to this.  It was on a TV series with a leading physicist of our time, doing the research and experiments with sending photons through time.

From my research, the quasiparticles have already been used in a 2 bit quantum computer.  These technologies that need to be perfected are not far off to being a reality.

Not one word about quasiparticles other than from me.  LOL


Edit:  Here is half of the video.  The other half shows the actual experiment and equipment for sending a photon through Time.  I'm still looking for the other half. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1201649/time_travel_einsteins_big_idea_theory_of_relativity/
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

tournamentdan

Quote from: gravityblock on June 30, 2009, 08:01:37 AM
I have never said that Time has mass.  Just because it doesn't have mass, doesn't mean mass can't affect it or that it can't affect mass.  The magnetic field of flux in a magnet doesn't have mass, but yet it is capable of repelling and attracting another magnet mass or attracting other metals.

I have only made comments to what you have compared to time as the reference that you made about flux. You forget what you say to quickly. This will be my last comment because I seem to be a bit repetitive and you seem to be stuck in the same tunnel vision. I am sorry I thought you may of understood that I have been saying that there is no wave of time whether it be a gamma ray, or radio wave, micro wave, ocean wave.  You keep referring to a frequency so in order to have a frequency you must have a ray or wave, and in order to have those it must be created some where. Where do you suppose that is? The center of the universe so that it can expand outward? If you believe in the big bang theory this is the way I see it. Space was not created by the big bang. Space was allready there. How can you create nothing. There is no fabric of space or time. The universe is expanding outward but space is allready infinite. How can you bend something if it has no mass or a field or a ray or a wave. Time is equal to a number.All it is is a measurement
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