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Why does mass slow time?

Started by gravityblock, November 25, 2008, 05:31:30 AM

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tournamentdan

Quote from: Chef on July 02, 2009, 05:43:01 PM
If that is true, why we aging?
You are joking right? You think that we age because time makes us age. Let's see..... because our bodies are mechanical and the working pieces get worn out. Like a heart. It is no different than a engine the more you use it the more wear you put on it , just like any organ we have. How about our brain. Well I know the more memory used up on my computer the slower it gets.As for the way we look, that is all up to gravity.
I'll see your theory, and raise you mine!!!

gravityblock

Quote from: tournamentdan on July 02, 2009, 04:56:29 PM
I have only made comments to what you have compared to time as the reference that you made about flux. You forget what you say to quickly. This will be my last comment because I seem to be a bit repetitive and you seem to be stuck in the same tunnel vision. I am sorry I thought you may of understood that I have been saying that there is no wave of time whether it be a gamma ray, or radio wave, micro wave, ocean wave.  You keep referring to a frequency so in order to have a frequency you must have a ray or wave, and in order to have those it must be created some where. Where do you suppose that is? The center of the universe so that it can expand outward? If you believe in the big bang theory this is the way I see it. Space was not created by the big bang. Space was allready there. How can you create nothing. There is no fabric of space or time. The universe is expanding outward but space is allready infinite. How can you bend something if it has no mass or a field or a ray or a wave. Time is equal to a number.All it is is a measurement

I don't forget what I say.  You are taking what I say completely out of context and twisting every word of mine to mean something else. 

When Time is a continuous stream, then it is massless and doesn't have a wave or mass within any given point in space.  It actually is a wave, but this wave is the size of the entire universe.  It will not have a mass if you measure within any given point in space.  For it to have a mass, you would need to take or measure the entire wave, which is the size of the universe, before you noticed it to have a mass or is a wave. 

This continuous stream of Time or one large wave is responsible for space and is expanding outwards in all directions.  When this continuous stream is broken up or delivered in packets, then it becomes an individual force within the universe with energy and has mass and a wave within a given area of space that is smaller than the universe ( An elementary particle).  These elementary particles become a larger mass when they come together.  When they come together, their frequency changes to represent the amount of energy or mass within this system.  Energy, Mass, Space and Time are the same thing, just being delivered in a different way or is manifesting itself in a different way.

When Time is a continuous stream, it has no force within the universe, since the forces are equal in all directions (except on the outer edges of the universe, which is the expansion force).  Once this stream is broken up into packets, then the forces are not equal in all directions, and a force arises that creates energy which can do work.  This creation of energy is really converting Time or Space into an individual force that can do work, and is known to us as energy and mass.

The smaller the mass or wave, the higher the frequency is and the higher amount of Time it has, meaning it transverses more space horizontally and vertically, than a lower frequency and has the same linear speed (This is not a typo or mistake).  Mass doesn't transverse space in a straight line.  It is transversing space horizontally and vertically regardless of direction of motion in a corkscrew motion.  This causes the higher frequencies that is traveling more space than a lower frequency, to travel the same distance of space linearly or to have the same linear speed within space.  This causes light to have the same linear speed in all frames.  Time being delivered in packets is an individual force and not a measurement.  Time in a continuous stream is the force within the universe that is causing it's expansion.  This expansion is not just a measurement, it is a force that is causing the measurements to be larger over Time.

People are only concerned with linear speed.  We never consider taking both the horizontal and vertical distances into account with our measurements.  A gamma ray travels more horizontal and vertical space than a radio wave within the same period, but they both travel the same distance of linear space at the same speed.

The faster you move in space traveling horizontally, the more space you will travel vertically, and vice versa, which causes mass to have a speed limit.  The only way to travel in a straight line or path, is to have no mass.  Once you are traveling in a straight path without the corkscrew motion, then you are not limited to C and not affected by Time due to not having an individual mass within that given area of space, but is now part of the mass of the universe as a whole.  The higher a frequency is, the tighter or smaller the corkscrew motion is, which causes it to complete more turns, thus transversing more space horizontally and vertically, but covering the same distance of linear space as a lower frequency.

This stuff is easy, but is very difficult to explain without causing confusion.  LOL

I think the more I say, the more I confuse people.

A brief side note on mass:

An elementary particle has an individual mass within a given area of space.  A planet has an individual mass within a given area of space.  These individual masses are part of the universe's mass, but they can be measured separately from the mass of the entire universe.

Something that is massless, has no individual mass within a given area of space, but has mass within the universe as a whole.  It is no longer an individual, it is now part of a greater whole.  It can not be measured separately.  It can only be measured as part of the mass of the entire universe.  Now you know why 97% of the universe appears to be missing, or otherwise known as dark energy or dark matter.  There is only one force in the universe, and that is Time.  Time can be broken up into individual forces or individual entities that can be measured separately from the entire universe, but still be part of the universe.

I'm thinking about creating a reference sheet that gives definitions for specific terms, so we can all be on the same page.  Space and distance can actually have different meanings.



Thanks,

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

tournamentdan

I have not twisted anything. I said
Quote from: tournamentdan on June 29, 2009, 11:40:27 PM
TIME DOES NOT HAVE A FREQUENCY AND IT DOES NOT HAVE MASS. So it can not be affected by gravity.
and you said
Quote from: gravityblock on June 30, 2009, 08:01:37 AM
I have never said that Time has mass.  Just because it doesn't have mass, doesn't mean mass can't affect it or that it can't affect mass.  The magnetic field of flux in a magnet doesn't have mass, but yet it is capable of repelling and attracting another magnet mass or attracting other metals.
You made the comparison of time and magnetic flux not I.
Quote from: gravityblock on June 30, 2009, 08:01:37 AMThe faster you move in space traveling horizontally, the more space you will travel vertically, and vice versa, which causes mass to have a speed limit.  The only way to travel in a straight line or path, is to have no mass.  Once you are traveling in a straight path without the corkscrew motion, then you are not limited to C and not affected by Time due to not having an individual mass within that given area of space, but is now part of the mass of the universe as a whole.  The higher a frequency is, the tighter or smaller the corkscrew motion is, which causes it to complete more turns, thus transversing more space horizontally and vertically, but covering the same distance of linear space as a lower frequency.
Really? Please tell me since the universe is expanding it is shaped like a sphere so tell me where to find the horizontal line and the vertical line. How do you know the vertical is not the horizontal and vise versa. And besides space is not expanding the universe is. Two separate things.

Quote from: gravityblock on July 02, 2009, 07:49:17 PMAn elementary particle has an individual mass within a given area of space.  A planet has an individual mass within a given area of space.  These individual masses are part of the universe's mass, but they can be measured separately from the mass of the entire universe.

The universe does not have mass. The universe is only the distance from the outer most edges of the outer most Galaxy's .The stars, planets,moons,asteroids,gases,dark matter or anti matter are the masses that make up the Galaxy
I'll see your theory, and raise you mine!!!

onthecuttingedge2005

Look! Time is energy, without energy there could be no time! I wish that you would think about this before you answer to early, without energy time would stand still!

Energy is work, Time is work! Time is event!

Jerry ;)

gravityblock

Quote from: tournamentdan on July 02, 2009, 09:02:24 PM
I have not twisted anything. I said and you said You made the comparison of time and magnetic flux not I. Really? Please tell me since the universe is expanding it is shaped like a sphere so tell me where to find the horizontal line and the vertical line. How do you know the vertical is not the horizontal and vise versa. And besides space is not expanding the universe is. Two separate things.

The universe does not have mass. The universe is only the distance from the outer most edges of the outer most Galaxy's .The stars, planets,moons,asteroids,gases,dark matter or anti matter are the masses that make up the Galaxy

I made the comparison between time and the magnetic flux to show you how something that is massless, the flux, can affect a mass, a metal piece.  I did not say that Time creates a flux, and those were your own words in reference to this comparison, when you said, "Time does not create flux".  You completely misinterpreting and not understanding what I say.

The universe is expanding and the space is not (these are your words and not mine).  So, what in the universe is actually expanding?  The galaxies, mass, and energy that is moving away from each other and moving outwards is riding this expansion of space.  The expansion of the universe is not the galaxies and mass moving away from each other and outwards in an infinitely large space.  The expansion of the universe is in direct relation to the space expanding outwards that is containing the universe and not in reference to the galaxies moving outwards into an already existing space.

The direction of travel is the horizontal line, while 90 degress from your direction of travel is the vertical line.  You could reverse the horizontal and vertical if you like, as long as you are consistent in using it.  This is where language, definitions, terms, communications break down.  There is no difference in saying something is running clockwise (CW) or counter clockwise (CCW).  It is all relative to your position.  If you're on one side of a spinning wheel, then it will be CW, while on the other side of the wheel, it will be spinning CCW.  We need better definitions and better terms in our languages.  Our languages limit us in our understanding of things.  There are no words or terms that can be used, that will be correct in all the different reference frames.  There is no term or word that can give the precise direction of movement without taking your current position and all other possible positions into account and be correct all the time.  Just like CW and CCW is relative to your own position.  Relativity is a real language barrier and is the author of confusion.  There are no set points for the horizontal and vertical lines in space.  It is all relative to your motion or direction of travel.  Choose whatever makes more sense to you in regards to what is vertical and what is horizontal, but at least be consistent with it.   

All individual objects or entities gives off an individual wave.  From the smallest particle to the largest mass, they are giving off individual waves.  The universe as a whole is also an individual entity that is giving off it's own wave.  The universe as a whole is no different than an atom. Inside an atom is space, neutrons, protons, etc....that makes up the mass of an atom.  This atom gives off a wave.  The universe is a single entity as a whole.  This single entity gives off a wave.  This wave is the expansion force of the universe.  When this wave is broken up into packets, then there are individual forces and energies that can be measured separate from the universe and still be a part of the universe as a whole.  Things that have mass can be measured separately from the rest of the universe, while things that are massless, can only be measured as a part of the universe as a whole.

Before you can measure something, you first need to know what you are measuring.  If you're measuring an object or an individual entity, then it will be confined to the space that it is occupying, and will have mass within that space.  If you're measuring the universe, then it will be confined to the space that it is occupying, and will have mass.  Something that is massless, can not be measured as an individual object, but must be measured as a part of the mass of the universe as a whole.

As far as the big bang is concerned, it may still be occurring or happening at the outer edges of the universe, where the continuous stream of Time meets and expands into nothingness while converting the nothingness into space.  Some experiments suggest that the expansion of the universe is occurring faster than the speed of light.  The big bang theory suggests that it happened at a greater speed of C also.

When Time meets and consumes nothingness while converting it into space at the edges of the universe, a great amount of heat is given off.  When the space starts to cool at uneven rates, then it causes Time to have breaks in it.  These breaks in Time, gives rise to individual forces, individual energies, individual masses with it's own individual Time Wave that is independent and can be measured separately from the universe as a whole, while still being a part of the universe.

Why does the Big Bang have to be over?  Why can't it still be happening?

It's OK to think outside of the box from time to time.  There are a million things that can be discovered, if we just think outside of the box for a moment.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.