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Why does mass slow time?

Started by gravityblock, November 25, 2008, 05:31:30 AM

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Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on January 09, 2009, 12:01:47 AM
so....time is like a cloud that is drawn in with gravity and mass the more gravity you experience the more time you pass through....right?

mass bunches up time around it?  So here's an idea..... would gravity have a refracting ability? like surface tension on water? would time stretch out thinner and thinner or is there a specific time density for outerspace? hard to describe, say you have a certain amount of particles for a given area, to have a cluster you would pull in the surrounding particles so, the density would change from static density to low density to high density.....am i making any sense?

Gravity (aka magnetism) has the capability to warp space and time. For example, the sun's powerful magnetic field actually bends light(refraction) around it allowing us to observe planets that would normally be out of view.

You are making sense about density and the proper term is 'time dilation'. 

Both magnetic properties stated here are scientific fact.

Steven Dufresne

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on January 12, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
I really like that theory......waves, in such a way that it acts like a particle.....cool...
I don't get this fully but i am working on getting my head around it.....the in and out waves are phase conjugates right?
I'm not sure I understand phase conjugation well enough to answer. I think the answer is no. The spherical rotation at the center causes the in-wave to be phase shifted 180 degrees and sent back out the direction it came from such that the sum of the amplitude results in a scalar/standing wave. There's an animation showing the two waves and the resulting scalar wave at:
http://www.quantummatter.com/articles/see_an_electron.html

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on January 12, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
and form the electron shells right?
Do you mean electron shells in terms of energy levels? Not a lot of work has been done yet on electrons as parts of atoms so I can't answer this.

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on January 12, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
"At the center, spherical rotation* changes in-waves to out-waves."
so is the spin rectifying incoming waves somehow?
Yes. The spherical rotation that goes on at the center serves a few purposes. One is to satisfy the experimentally observed angular momentum, well described by Dirac as a spherical rotation of 720 degrees. Another is to send the in-wave back the direction it came from as an out-wave. And it also provides a high amplitude non-linear area so that an energy exchange can take place, something that doesn't happen in the linear space between the particles.

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on January 12, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
could you couple with the waves maybe throw them out of phase with eachother?
also how would they move-- I'm thinking of the Doppler effect....
Charged particles move around with respect to each other due to something called MAP, the Minimum Amplitude Principle. This says that the total amplitude of all waves in space seek a minimum. But this only takes effect in the non-linear area near the particle center.

But I don't want to hijack gravityblock's thread so if you want more details we can move to a new thread or have a look at the articles at http://wsminfo.org and http://www.quantummatter.com. http://wsminfo.org/articles/GREIT6Oct06.doc would probably be a good starting point. I would certainly like to discuss engineering possibilities for these waves to tap into their energy.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org
He who smiles at lofty schemes, stems the tied of broken dreams. - Roger Hodgson

Steven Dufresne

Quote from: hansvonlieven on January 12, 2009, 03:56:17 PM
Professor Tait came up with the vortex machine which is essentially a simple closed container with a hole in one side that is filled with smoke. On tapping the side opposite the hole, rotating smoke rings form outside the hole that have peculiar properties.
Hans,
Sounds like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVzFWprbMkA&feature=related
Also reminds me of Ken Shoulders' charge clusters which I think are supposed to be toroidal in shape.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org
He who smiles at lofty schemes, stems the tied of broken dreams. - Roger Hodgson

hansvonlieven

G'day Steve,

Yes , the video shows the same as Professor Tait's shoebox albeit in a more dramatic manner. Love the size of the smoke-rings.

What is interesting here is that the smoke-ring, the result of a pressure wave traveling through a resonant cavity, behaves more like a solid than a wave.

In fact it shapes the medium around it.

Fascinating and far reaching stuff.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

gravityblock

Here's a video of dolphins playing and blowing bubble rings in the water similar to the smoke rings.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q
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