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[wattsup]

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If BEMF = CEMF, then show me some official EE description that describes it as both a countering of inrush and a high voltage kick backwards on pulse off. Question have you ever seen BEMF or CEMF. Not me. It just happens automatically. But I have seen some pretty nasty flyback blow up a heavy duty start switch and more. lol

Just get it straight. You cannot have BEMF if you do not have EMF. It happens at the same time to counter the current inrush at on position. That's it , that's all. Now if that BEMF was going somewhere else, then it can no longer be BEMF or CEMF because it is no longer countering the EMF. To counter something, you have to have an applied force to counter. So I have to spell it out any more then that. OK more.

I was not talking about flyback transformers although, and sorry to say, they do apply.

In overunity endeavors, many try to catch flyback, but they call it BEMF. Wrong. You cannot capture BEMF. That's why they call them flyback transformers and not BEMF transformers. Have you ever seen a BEMF transformer. Why not?

As far as Tesla goes, I cannot recall him talking about BEMF as having the same attributes as flyback.

He knew that when he applied a high potential power source to a large coil at the given speed of electricity, that coil should have been fully saturated immediately, but there is always a delay because there is a countering force to the inrush. BEMF. But when that power is turned off, there is no more BEMF, the applied power plus the countering power now become flyback and returns to the source. You cannot have it both ways.

[Farrah Day]

I don't want to seem rude Wattsup - it's not in my nature  , but this statement clearly exposes your lack of understanding of very basic electronics, and rather emphasises the fact that you're not at all qualified to talk on the subject. It seems to me that you are relying on dictionary definitions or Wikipedia to educate yourself - it won't work!

If BEMF = CEMF, then show me some official EE description that describes it as both a countering of inrush and a high voltage kick backwards on pulse off. Question have you ever seen BEMF or CEMF. Not me.

You ask: have you ever seen BEMF or CEMF?  I see the results of BEMF everyday and so do you... you obviously just don't realise it.

I switch on my car engine and my ignition coil immediately uses BEMF to fire my spark plugs.

A steady 12v dc providing a small current through the primary winding is very quickly interupted by the contact breaker. The magnetic field collapses as the current ceases. This collapsing magnetic field induces a Back EMF much greater than the 12v, which in turn pulses the many more windings of the secondary providing upward of 15KV to fire my spark plugs.

Wattsup, take some comfort from the fact that you are not alone. There are many people like you who claim to understand these things after reading just a few lines from Wikipedia or suchlike, and somehow thinking that they are now experts in the field. People like you who, because of a few snippets of info acquired here and there, will argue blindly with people that have years of training and a formal education on the subject behind them, and so in essence are vastly more knowledgeable and experienced.

See the problem here?

Furthermore:

In overunity endeavors, many try to catch flyback, but they call it BEMF. Wrong. You cannot capture BEMF. That's why they call them flyback transformers and not BEMF transformers. Have you ever seen a BEMF transformer. Why not?

They call them flyback transformers, because, as I posted previously this was a function of the job these particular transformers do in CRT TV's and monitors, causing the CRT electron beam to 'flyback'.

Frankly, you haven't really got a clue as to what you're talking about, have you?

[WilbyInebriated]

I don't want to seem rude Wattsup - it's not in my nature  , but this statement clearly exposes your lack of understanding of very basic electronics, and rather emphasises the fact that you're not at all qualified to talk on the subject. It seems to me that you are relying on dictionary definitions or Wikipedia to educate yourself - it won't work!

You ask: have you ever seen BEMF or CEMF?  I see the results of BEMF everyday and so do you... you obviously just don't realise it.

I switch on my car engine and my ignition coil immediately uses BEMF to fire my spark plugs.

A steady 12v dc providing a small current through the primary winding is very quickly interupted by the contact breaker. The magnetic field collapses as the current ceases. This collapsing magnetic field induces a Back EMF much greater than the 12v, which in turn pulses the many more windings of the secondary providing upward of 15KV to fire my spark plugs.

Wattsup, take some comfort from the fact that you are not alone. There are many people like you who claim to understand these things after reading just a few lines from Wikipedia or suchlike, and somehow thinking that they are now experts in the field. People like you who, because of a few snippets of info acquired here and there, will argue blindly with people that have years of training and a formal education on the subject behind them, and so in essence are vastly more knowledgeable and experienced.

See the problem here?

Furthermore:

They call them flyback transformers, because, as I posted previously this was a function of the job these particular transformers do in CRT TV's and monitors, causing the CRT electron beam to 'flyback'.

Frankly, you haven't really got a clue as to what you're talking about, have you?

people like you farrah? people like you that can't manage to get a 15 component circuit working? simple basic electronics like that? so much for your qualifications then.

it's 'interrupted'... queen's english or otherwise.

wow, so you have been playing with a ignition coil and some copper brake line and now you are an 'expert', with a 'qualified' opinion... 

frankly, i don't think you could build a joule thief much less stiffler's SEC 15-3.

[Farrah Day]

Wilby, you must spend hours checking through my posts looking for some pathetic angle of attack. While I never credited you as being the brightest spark in the box, it's now become quite laughable - you're actually more childish than IST! 

You really are a complete and utter knobhead aren't you Wilby... or is that knob-head? I'll let you choose.

[Cap-Z-ro]

"I don't want to seem rude Wattsup - it's not in my nature "

*causes spontaneous spit-take*