IST! NEO ZAP! TECK Breakthrough ....

[innovation_station]

in all situations the led flashed .. intresting dont ya think ?

from a aa 1.5 vdc

now re try the test reversing the polarity of the coil not the switch then reverse the switch

then try all 3 agin with the switch reversed .. ie neg swithcing pos switching ..

for a total of 24 possible ways ..  thus far ...

ist!

[gauschor]

Holy sh****... as I today tried the circuit posted above it didn't work at all anymore(?)... the LED didn't lite up at all. I must have worked very sloppy not realizing that.

I need to put the LED parallel and *not in series* to the coil like that:

|-----coil-----|
|-----LED-----|
|                   |
|____1.5V____|

Then the LED flashes work again... (I mean wtf..., did I have brain damage yesterday or what?!? Maybe I mixed up 2 different wires, because all my wires have the same color...).

And answering your question: yes I find it interesting that the LED flashes in any case . So now I can try to examine what you suggested in the last post.

[gauschor]

Ah finally I have corrected my tests and sketches:
(for all electro engineers: I know most of this is in todays books, but I want to understand what IST has seen in these things, it is obvious he has another eye for them, as also had Tesla 100 years ago).

I interprete from the first line of the picture attached, that the magnetic field collapses in a way that the flow of current is reversed from the polarity of the batteries. That would explain that the LED flashes brightly only when it is arranged reverse to the battery poles.

The second line from the picture shows the same result as above, only reversed.

The third line (I have not listed all combinations, but tried all of the ones listed above) shows that if the switch is put after the LED, it only flashes very weak.

I can see very small sparks however on the switch whenever the LED is only flashing very weak. In the arrangement where the LED flashes very brightly, there is no sparks anymore. So obviously the LED receives only at this arrangement the full collapse.

Did I got that right, IST, or am I missing something in my arrangement?

[innovation_station]

i think when conducted properly you will find a pos bang and a neg bang ..  and all the little bangs ..

basically it is a verry  nasty thing to figure out ! : )

thats no joke ...

ist

the simple transformer works many ways ...  this is the reason your doing it by hand ..

throw a transistor in the mix ...  YOU GOT HALF THE WORLD THINKING .. ITS A JT ! LOL

BUT WHATS A JT ...  LMFAO

[gauschor]

Ok, I extended with a transistor and a 2nd coil as suggested (picture attached):

The first circuit is the extension of the previously posted circuits. I admit that I let myself be inspired by the final versions of this circuit, therefore I also posted the recommended version from internet (middle). The LED shows the biggest brightness on the middle circuit.
The circuit on the right was a test, if I could power the base of the transistor with impulses from my Toepler influence machine (or any Wimshurst device) - yes it does work too, though not as bright as the other ones. But much brighter than trying to power an LED directly by a Wimshurst.

The test with the Toepler did also show that it is not only a "Transformer" process between the 2 coils (because there is no second coil on this arrangement), but in fact the LED gets its power from the "Kicks" only.

If I check with my digital multimeter the result on the circuit shown in the middle the current is 3mA and the voltage 980mV. Since an LED needs at least 2+ Volts, there must be a kick big enough, which however is not recognized by my digital multimeter. A short test tapping (releasing) the switch of previous circuits on my ancient Analog-Voltmeter (seems to be better than all these digital devices...) showed a short peak of about 2.5 Volts and therefore seems to confirm this.

Now that the LED light is very steady there must be a whole lot of kicks per seconds. It almost looks like the kick is double the power from the source...

On a sidenote... somehow I don't like Transistors (they are almost like a blackbox to me, although there is lots of literature explaining them), I wished I could exchange them with something else...