"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

[WilbyInebriated]

It's good to see you call out to God when you get stressed, but that is another thread... 

Do you have any suggestions, that you can agree with, now that we know what these devices do?

it's not stress... it's frustration. i figured something as nonsensical as 'god' would fit well with your nonsensical definition of 'overunity'.

what devices? and what SPECIFICALLY do they do?

[Liberty]

Correct again!

I will explain why another time, I'm going to bed. I will let you and Liberty duke it out first, it is quite clear to me who understands, and who doesn't.

I understand and agree with what you both are referring to.  You can't get 110% out of something that can only operate at 100% at most (usually much less).  It depends on your point of view as to how you understand the term overunity.  Yours is one way.  Mine is another.  However I use "electrical efficiency" because that is the desired unit that I choose to use for measurement.  I see you are looking for a "perfectionist" definition that is absolute.  COP, if I understand it correctly, is too broad of a term in my view, as used with air conditioning in comparison, it may be comparing apples with oranges.

[Liberty]

it's not stress... it's frustration. i figured something as nonsensical as 'god' would fit well with your nonsensical definition of 'overunity'.

what devices? and what SPECIFICALLY do they do?

"what devices? and what SPECIFICALLY do they do?"

This topic would "exceed" the current discussion topic.

[WilbyInebriated]

"what devices? and what SPECIFICALLY do they do?"

This topic would "exceed" the current discussion topic.

then just name one... 

[WilbyInebriated]

I understand and agree with what you both are referring to.  You can't get 110% out of something that can only operate at 100% at most (usually much less).

no, i don't think you do or you wouldn't be arguing what it is that you are arguing...

It depends on your point of view as to how you understand the term overunity.  Yours is one way.  Mine is another.  However I use "electrical efficiency" because that is the desired unit that I choose to use for measurement.

and this is EXACTLY why this thread was created. definitions, especially scientific  (ie:things that are observable and measurable) ones, are NOT dependent upon "point of view". words have definitions so that we are all on the same page when using a word. this is the fundamental basis of language.

I see you are looking for a "perfectionist" definition that is absolute.

wrong. i'm looking for an agreeable definition that suits the purpose and context and isn't open to "interpretation"... this is science, not religion.

COP, if I understand it correctly, is too broad of a term in my view, as used with air conditioning in comparison, it may be comparing apples with oranges.

"as used with air conditioning in comparison" to what exactly?