"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

[Pirate88179]

Well folks, I am glad to see the conversations here in an attempt to define what it is that we all appear to be searching for.

Some excellent thoughts have been brought out, and some other off-topic thoughts as well.  This demonstrates exactly why I began this topic.  There are a lot of really smart, educated folks here and yet, agreement on what the "Holy"Grail" of energy research would be seems problematic to define.

It goes back to my earlier thoughts of....how will we know if we have discovered "it" if we do not know what "it" is and can agree?  Part of it might just be semantics I am sure....but....I believe it runs deeper than that.  I believe we need a fundamental term that fully describes what we seek.  Then, we need to clearly define what this term means, and, does not mean.  Easier said than done to be sure. 

If "Overunity" is not the term, what is?  Or, should we re-define "Overunity" to mean something other than the Webster's definition?  Customize it to suit our own needs? (This has been done many times in the computer industry...mouse is but one example.)

I hope we can continue this important conversation and I urge everyone to be respectful please.  This is important stuff.

Thanks,

Bill

[Aman Shah]

Bill,

As I alluded to above, the first thing all have to agree on is the separation of "Renewable Energy"systems, from "extra" energy by other means.

I strongly suggest keeping renewable energy systems out of the discussion, because this is known and proven technology, and it comes from sources that are tangible. So the answer to your question about your earth battery; can you put your finger on the source of extra energy? If so, then that is energy from known physical processes, and in this case comes directly from the earth. I don't know much about the earth battery, but do I assume correctly that it also renews itself?

I believe the other issue you are asking about, having now separated renewable energy systems from overunity/free energy systems, is how does one know when or if they've achieved "it"?

In my own mind this is fairly clear, but having observed and taken part in this forum for quite some time, I'd have to say it's not so obvious for many. There are a lot of good experimenters here, some with extraordinary skills, but by and large, it is a learning process through which eyes are opened and lessons are learned with a few "false alarms" along the way.

A protocol for if (the big one), when, and how to post OU claims would be fairly straightforward (not necessarily easy or quick) to produce, but unless asked to do so, I would not volunteer my time because I have seen good documents such as this would be, go largely unheeded by most even though obvious effort went into it.

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Bullshit.
Gravity powered engine technology is nothing more than Renewable free energy technology.

We don't have a single highly efficient ,portable,compact,commercial,renewable energy system and that is making a problem.

According to my own experience on science forums,Free energy Suppresion is however true for efficient renewable energy technologies.
Overunity does not exist.However,Gravity powered engines (Example :Gravity wheels)may exist in future which I am not at all denying.

Nothing can move on its own,neither any Bessler wheel would produce any motion because of its special constructional feature (this is being suggested in bessler wheel community).

Today's most efficient experimental solar cell is only 30 percent efficient.
Solar energy is neither concentrated either.
Wind energy and tidal energy system needs lots of land space,are expensive and does not have efficiency of more than 30 percent.

We need to really take out wraps from suppressed by government and people"highly efficient compact portable low cost renewable free energy"systems.

Gravity powered systems can be made with concepts of overcommable resistances or Potential energy gradients,both of which I have already discussed in my blog articles if you have went through them.

Still you want to waste your time and continue nonsense defining overunity against renewable energy,I will not disturb you.
Good luck!

Or else try building up something practical using my concepts of Overcommable resistance or Varrying potential gradient.

Let us try to figure out a practical gravity engine system:
Let us take a analogous example for this:

If there is a 1 kg of solid powder to be lifted upwards,I need X amount of work done upwards.If I have to push 2 Kg of solid powder downwards,I need to consume X plus X (2X)amount of Gravitational energy. 

Net energy consumed = 2 X -X =X
Which is then converted to Net electrical energy Output.This is what one of the way of satisfacting the Principle, 
Mostly real Gravity engines should work on the principle that the Gravity engine/Gravity wheel systems are innovatively designed to take in (consume) much more Gravitational energy than what energy needed to lift heavy ball upward.

Now notice that this cannot be achieved when such a overcommable resistance gradient occurs only with respect to time vertically.In other words,you need your system to be in a cyclic circular path OR in other words the gradient should occur in a circular cyclic path.

The concept is based on "Overcommable resistance" where 2X -X is energy needed to displace Overcommable resistance(additional powder bulk).

I have got a concept to use this idea or analogy which is under patenting.

[Aman Shah]

It won't work and I'm prepared to wager an amount you care to name against this being possible.

You do not understand the basic principles of the conservation of  mass , energy  and momentum or you would realise how ridiculous your proposals are.

Or I should say,you don't understand simple logic of physics.You are not eligible to be a part of this forum.
Neither you have a Commonsense that you need more energy to displace more mass and less energy to displace less mass.

If readers here are not understating the above example,
Please see this Flickr webpage as well as read the explanation below the attached image for different example for the same concept:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59145126@N07/6927929850/

Better go and teach conventional knowledge of old age to some slum area students.They will easily accept your knowledge without questioning or thinking how logical your lessons are.People who do not want to do something extraordinary in life do not think logically and accept anything without questioning.

[Mr Summitville]

Overunity is actually in reference to COP (Co-efficient Of Performance). When COP<1 it is underunity. When COP=1, it is at unity. When COP>1 it is overunity.


COP is an efficiency formula which measures the ratio of a systems Net Capacity(watts)/Power Input(watts). At unity COP is a balanced system with the Net Capacity equal to the Power Input.  If a system is at overunity, then its Net Capacity is greater than its Power Input.


Here is a link.
http://www.usair-eng.com/pdfs/efficiency-definitions.pdf

Any consensus here that "Over-Unity" should be defined as "COP" and not as "Efficiency" ?

[Vinyasi]

"We need a definition" ---> Energy plus Intelligence yields Command of Nature.
It is up to us to decide the outcome. Do we want that energy to dissipate or increase? We get to decide which way it will go -- not subject to anyone's else's policy.

I think Joseph Newman says it simply when he makes an analogy between shorting out a battery using a short piece of wire versus a very long piece which has been wound up into a coil. The longer piece of wire is also heavier gauge and can be several miles long.

The shorter wire will heat up, and the battery will heat up or explode, and the amp hours on the battery will quickly dissipate to becoming a dead battery.

Meanwhile, the longer piece of massively coiled heavy gauge wire will not draw much amperage from the battery. The battery will get recharged by the voltage gain in this coil if the commutator is constructed properly.

Phase One: 50% duty cycle - Charge the coil.
Phase Two: 30% duty cycle - Rest.
Phase Three: 20% duty cycle - Self-short the coil between its two ends and disconnected from the battery. Do not ever short the coil to ground. Allow it to build up voltage (which should become greater than the battery). And, BTW, the battery is a pack of small batteries (such as 9 volt) strung in series supplying a few hundred volts, but very little amps, to the coil.

This coil will produce a very large magnetic field unlike the short piece of wire creating hardly any field at all.

So, where does the extra energy come if not from the materials of construction plus wave mechanics?

Certainly not from the battery, alone.

In fact, the battery serves merely as a catalyst to release energy in each case.

But it is their geometry of construction which dictates how energy will be released and from where will it be released in each case making each example quite different in outcome.

I spent a lot of money purchasing a hard copy of Newman's eighth edition of his Energy Machine book through Amazon. It has been well worth browsing through. I like holding books in my hands.

But it's also good to have available a PDF scanned version that's free and which does not require a credit card to authorize its download. To that end, I managed to upload a scanned copy of the fourth edition to archive dot org...
http://is.gd/new4th

I doubt anyone working as a physicist or electrical engineer spends much of their attention span thinking about the wave mechanics inherent in every single circuit which they design.

Yet, wave mechanics covers one-half of electrodynamics shared equally in importance by the energy mass relation of E = M x C-squared. We're so monotheistic here in the West when it comes to our ideologies of electrical theory. We have a lot to gain by applying a more Eastern approach by adding to, not subtracting from, our theory the additional insight of the Tao.

If the Yang of the Tao represents our insistence that all energy IN much equal all energy OUT, then the stuff which appears seemingly from out of nowhere in between IN and OUT must be invoking the Yin aspect of the Tao, namely: Intelligence.

It's not smart to burn up a battery and overheat a short thin piece of wire connecting the two terminals of a battery.

But it's very smart to use a much longer piece of heavy wire which is also coiled to further maximize its magnetic output.

That's my theology of electricity: two Gods. One representing Gain and the other representing Loss. Each has no theoretical limit. Only circumstances can limit us.

Take Tesla vaporizing strands of copper wire to see how far he could go at pumping massive quantities of energy into them, because he knew of the theoretical limit to overunity is non-existent. Only the materials of construction, plus their circumstance, and to what degree of Intelligence do we work into our circuitry designs will dictate any limitation to free energy.

One further example is Tesla's Special Generator...
http://is.gd/specgenpgs

I believe that the 'M' coils are equivalent to Joseph Newman's massive coils.

But Tesla goes further by adding lots of iron -- tons of it according to William Lyne in chapter 8 of his book, Pentagon Aliens -- to enhance the efficiency of his device by magnetically coupling the hull of a Nazi era Electro U Boat to the iron cores of those 'M' coils. And Thomas Commerford Martin quotes Tesla as saying (during the 1893 demonstration cited in his text linked, above) that the period of reciprocation of his device is very important -- in other words, non-varying. Probably serves to enhance resonance and further add to energy gain?

And researchers attempting to theorize how the Testatika device operates have speculated that the horseshoe magnets up front surround a multilayered electret sandwiched between the two feet  of each horseshoe electromagnet. I believe this is analogous to the 'H' coils in Tesla's Special Generator. And since I further speculate that the rods around which these 'H' coils are wound are made of solid aluminum, the open speculation floating around online may be true that the alternate name for this generator is a Tri-Metal Generator composed of: copper, aluminum and iron.