"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

[Pirate88179]

@ Captainpecan:

Here is a slight adjustment to your bowling ball example:  2 Cavemen are standing on top of a hill.  They are leaning against a large round rock while trying to think of a way to clear some trees out down below so they can make a hut.

The 1st caveman says he has no idea and tries to sit down on the rock, which starts to move.  He jumps off just in time and he, and the other caveman, watch this gigantic boulder begin rolling down the hill toward the grove of small trees.

Well, you can guess what happens.  Yes, the trees are plowed over and their work, which was going to take them all summer, was now done it 30 seconds with very little effort on their part.

OK, so the rock was there on the hilltop for over 3.15 million years as was the gravity surrounding it.  The cavemen do not know about gravity as this was prior to Newton, and they have no idea about overunity either. they have no idea that the boulder had potential energy.

What I am trying to say is, to the cavemen, who were then quickly elected chief engineers of their tribe, had no idea where the energy came from, they just used it.  We know about the potential energy and, as Captainpecan has stated many times, there was unity there.  Try telling that to the cavemen.  Of course, by now I imagine they have passed away.

We are, in many ways, like the cavemen.  All sources of power have not been discovered or documented.  Until that day, should it occur, we will have what some think is overunity but is, in reality, unity.

Bill                     PS  Sorry for the crummy story, I just made it up to attempt to explain my thoughts.

[TechStuf]

They can't have it both ways can they?

Absolutely right!   


Oh but they'll try......and try.....


TS

[Digjam]

I agree with Pirate , there needs to be a definition.
But maybe we are looking at the Wrong words..

ALL Energy is FREE and NO Energy is FREE.

Example:Suppose You are in the desert, There is plenty of heat from the sun
All you could possibly want .BUT The more of the heat your body absorbs,
the more it costs you in water-loss.(dehydration).
SO it is free for the taking, but there is Always a cost in the using.

If, as science says:Energy can't be created or destroyed, then the term
"Renewable Energy" is also wrong , And "Reusable Energy".Well is would seem to
be logical that ALL Energy is Reusable.So that term fails.

I think the word "Energy" should be left out of the "what we are looking for"
We hear reports of "Peak Oil" . And that is where some get it wrong.
Oil is NOT energy.. it is just a fuel or container ..When ALL the Oil is gone
there will still be Just as much "Energy" as there was before the dinosaurs rotted.

SO.What ARE we looking for ?? A new container? a New fuel? a New extraction method?
A new Harnessing method?

We all want "Free",but there is Always a cost.

As for Overunity .That word should probably be thrown out is favor in"Most Efficient"
We all know that Nature ( the universe) strives for equilibrium therefore Overunity is an impossibility.


If all we want is "Free Energy" then it is All around us.
So maybe it isn't Definitions we need, but different Terms.

[TechStuf]

I vote for "most efficient".



TS

[FreeEnergy]

thanks for starting this topic Pirate88179! 

we definitely needed a topic like this. my brain tickles lol