What if the textbooks are right?

[magifesq]

Brownian motion enough said

[madddann]

Hello, Dann,

Haven't you wondered why we are still using those old-fashioned generators in the textbooks, and why nobody has yet claimed the over-unity prize?

Ernie Rogers

'cause people are lazy and full of greed  ...and probably anyone that works on a FE device doesn't have money, so he is forced to go for the big buck, not the OU prize... this world is in a perpetual motion loop of madness

[WilbyInebriated]

This post is simply false.

Sorry /Ernie Rogers

thats pretty gutsy ernie, it is a theory (thermodynamics) is it not? ie: it's not pythagoras' law, it's pythagoras' theorem. please, no discussion of how silly science is with its casual use of 'law', 'principle', 'theory', 'theorem', etc.
i mean come on, mayer's original paper was contemptuously rejected by the leading physics journals of the time, and now it's revered like the bible... scientists/physicists can be so ridiculous.
it is ALL theory/theorem. science is not omnipotent, point in fact, science is rather ignorant, there is a lot we don't know, there is a lot we guess at. we still don't have a good idea of how a photon exists in reality...
circular arguments are used all the time. ie: student asks teacher "why does the apple fall down from the tree?" and teacher says "because of the 'law of gravity' grasshopper" which is not the reason for an apple falling, only another description of the event using longer words.

you know science is a lot like fashion, academics glom on to whatever theory/theorem is popular at the present time, a few tell it like it really is.

"Our knowledge is finite, but our ignorance is nearly infinite" - George Gore - 19th Cent.
"We are going along guessing the laws" - Richard P. Feynman - 20th Cent.
"Few scientists nowadays seriously believe that their laws are true" - Profs. Jack Cohen & Ian Stewart - 1994
"What the scientists say now is likely to be false" - Nigel Calder - '04
"Every cosmology book in the library is out-of-date, in fact, wrong" - Michio Kaku - '05
"We know no more than we did in 1975 - and that's not good" - Lee Smolin - 07 Mar '07 - (BBC: R3)
"Science fails in Explanation" - Lorenz, Darwin et al

[CARN0T]

Hello, Wilby,

Your reply was very eloquent.

The first and second laws of thermodynamics are laws because they have been subjected to scrutiny and test for over one hundred years without anyone discovering the very slightest deviation.

To deny this truth is a poor way to find further knowledge.

Ernie Rogers

thats pretty gutsy ernie, it is a theory (thermodynamics) is it not? ie: it's not pythagoras' law, it's pythagoras' theorem. please, no discussion of how silly science is with its casual use of 'law', 'principle', 'theory', 'theorem', etc.
i mean come on, mayer's original paper was contemptuously rejected by the leading physics journals of the time, and now it's revered like the bible... scientists/physicists can be so ridiculous.
it is ALL theory/theorem. science is not omnipotent, point in fact, science is rather ignorant, there is a lot we don't know, there is a lot we guess at. we still don't have a good idea of how a photon exists in reality...
circular arguments are used all the time. ie: student asks teacher "why does the apple fall down from the tree?" and teacher says "because of the 'law of gravity' grasshopper" which is not the reason for an apple falling, only another description of the event using longer words.

you know science is a lot like fashion, academics glom on to whatever theory/theorem is popular at the present time, a few tell it like it really is.

"Our knowledge is finite, but our ignorance is nearly infinite" - George Gore - 19th Cent.
"We are going along guessing the laws" - Richard P. Feynman - 20th Cent.
"Few scientists nowadays seriously believe that their laws are true" - Profs. Jack Cohen & Ian Stewart - 1994
"What the scientists say now is likely to be false" - Nigel Calder - '04
"Every cosmology book in the library is out-of-date, in fact, wrong" - Michio Kaku - '05
"We know no more than we did in 1975 - and that's not good" - Lee Smolin - 07 Mar '07 - (BBC: R3)
"Science fails in Explanation" - Lorenz, Darwin et al

[WilbyInebriated]

Hello, Wilby,

Your reply was very eloquent.

The first and second laws of thermodynamics are laws because they have been subjected to scrutiny and test for over one hundred years without anyone discovering the very slightest deviation.

To deny this truth is a poor way to find further knowledge.

Ernie Rogers

thanks ernie, and while i will not argue that they have been subjected to very close scrutiny and test for over one hundred years, that does not make them 'universal' or a 'law', it still remains a theory, a theory backed up with a lot of data, but still a theory none the less. a calculation is just that, a calculation, nothing more. science has a long history of ostracizing ANYONE, lay person and scientist alike, who brings a claim that changes the status quo, see this page. perhaps scientists/physicists all need a history lesson of their peers despicable behavior?
i seem to recall a british institution saying that everything that could be invented, had been. this was the in 19th century i believe? sounds ludicrous now doesn't it? that's my point, 100 years ago brilliant physicists like yourself wrote many papers about how the best engine of the day could not effect man powered flight...what happened to those calculations? 500 years ago EVERYONE knew the world was flat. 500 years from now? who knows what the future will bring, surely you don't claim this knowledge do you?