What if the textbooks are right?

[Carbide_Tipped]

No matter what law you follow it still needs to conform to the law of economics. There's a reason the ICE is only 25% eff. Sure you can increase the compression ratio and lean it out to get 50% eff but put it in the hands of everyday people and it won't last more that a week. Your big hurdle is economics and the material its made of.

[CARN0T]

Thank you, Carbide,

For bringing us back to the main focus of this thread.  Which is that great strides are possible in energy production without trying to violate existing laws of physics.

And, yes, your point is well taken, that in the final analysis, we have to have a product that serves well in its intended use.  That includes durability and cost as well as energy efficiency, etc.

Maybe it's timely to review the brake efficiencies of present-day heat engines.  Here is my list--

Traditional car engine..........................25%
Best gas cars today (e.g., Prius)........30%    ("new" Prius is higher?)
Best diesel cars..................................35%
Highway truck engines........................45%
Large marine 2-stroke diesels...........50%
Power plant NG combined cycle.......55% or more.

I was reading a little about Sadi Carnot last night.  It was his father that probably should get credit for stating the first law.   Sadi published his new theory in 1824.  He died when 36 years old, from Cholera (in 1831?).  His new science was far from worked out, and much of the cleanup was done shortly after by Emile Clapeyron (1834) and Lame (first name?) in 1836.  The science of thermodynamics began to be widely known in the 1850s, and not long after Rudolph Diesel learned it and devised the most efficient heat engine ever, even to this day.  Diesel apparently believed that some day his engine would reach 60% efficiency.  And, we are almost there.

Ernie Rogers

No matter what law you follow it still needs to conform to the law of economics. There's a reason the ICE is only 25% eff. Sure you can increase the compression ratio and lean it out to get 50% eff but put it in the hands of everyday people and it won't last more that a week. Your big hurdle is economics and the material its made of.

[gravityblock]

I am replying only to the topic and have not had time to read this thread.

The textbooks are not right. I will give an example. If a permanent magnet's field of flux could be manufactured to pulse, then we would have overunity since the magnetic field of flux was changing.

I'll describe what I believe the magnetic field of flux is. Let's say you have an AC motor. If you could put enough energy into this motor where the motor is rotating so fast that the alternating current is no longer alternating but is stationary in our reference frame, then you would have no current flow or electricty. You would then have a continuous flow of magnetic flux. Also, at this point the motor wouldn't be rotating in our frame of reference either. Once the power source is disconnected to this motor, then you would have a permanent magnet motor. A permanent magnet is Zero Point Energy in our reference frame and is the Infinite Point Energy in it's own reference frame.

For us to get overunity, then we must manufacture a permanent magnet in a way that the north and south poles are constantly flipping, alternating, or pulsing similar to the permanent magnet motor described above. Just a thought.

[spinner]

I am replying only to the topic and have not had time to read this thread.

The textbooks are not right. I will give an example. If a permanent magnet's field of flux could be manufactured to pulse, then we would have overunity since the magnetic field of flux was changing.

If only we could... then, we would....

I'll describe what I believe the magnetic field of flux is. Let's say you have an AC motor. If you could put enough energy into this motor where the motor is rotating so fast that the alternating current is no longer alternating but is stationary in our reference frame, then you would have no current flow or electricty. You would then have a continuous flow of magnetic flux. Also, at this point the motor wouldn't be rotating in our frame of reference either. Once the power source is disconnected to this motor, then you would have a permanent magnet motor. A permanent magnet is Zero Point Energy in our reference frame and is the Infinite Point Energy in it's own reference frame.

Ah....

For us to get overunity, then we must manufacture a permanent magnet in a way that the north and south poles are constantly flipping, alternating, or pulsing similar to the permanent magnet motor described above. Just a thought.

That would be nice!

Cheers!

[dean_mcgowan]

Burrrrrp!

Was that a brain fart or what ?

Cheers,

Dean