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Timing and Hydrogen ICE fuel

Started by magifesq, January 06, 2009, 02:03:54 AM

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jadaro2600

Quote from: magifesq on January 10, 2009, 11:12:51 PM
You may be right, I don't have all the end emissions chemistry/physics down pat.  I read or was told somewhere HHO + spark + ambient air = H2O + CO2 - kinda like when we exhale we don't use gasoline lol.

h2o, n2, co2 and other trace gases will be present in the intake air as it is.


magifesq

Wouldn't there be a little increased CO2 as a natural result of the combustion process, or would the implosion of H2 be so different from normal combustion that its not a factor?

jadaro2600

Quote from: magifesq on January 11, 2009, 08:54:24 PM
Wouldn't there be a little increased CO2 as a natural result of the combustion process, or would the implosion of H2 be so different from normal combustion that its not a factor?

Carbon result from the presence of carbon in the hydrocarbon chains in oil and gasoline,  If your not using oil, and you using brown's gas ( hho ), then the results of combustion should be steam and nothing more.  Since the above mention gases are already present, then they'll be in the exhaust as it is.  I wonder if emission tests consider this?  Unfortunately, I think that the results of hho driven ice's is a net higher usage of oil as a result of h or ho reacting with the hydrocarbons in the oil.  The only way to test is to run without oil ..and with hho, this is mechanical suicide.   A clean burning engine that's an ice, would need to contain the full exhaust, recycle it, and run accordinly, and co2 present would become a buffer, but it would most likely be present already, and increase over time with the expenditure of the oil.

case in point, it's not impossible.

Better still though is a completely closed system of burning the hho gas, and using a sterling cycle to generate electricity.  but the efficiency of this system is called into question with regard to how much electricity would be generated versus how much was used to create the hho.  a whole slew of techniques might be employed to do such a thing. ..thermopiles, a sterling cycle, flywheel, a condensing unit.  ...

I've got this idea for a turbo hho ice, rather split the turbo and add a portion of exhaust back into the intake while boosting the output.  maybe a little over the top.  But a refrigerant might be used to create a cold and a hot side where peltier cells or sterling cycles could be used to bolster the rough electrical output.

Hydrogen reacts faster when it combusts - it's more like an explosion. for example, hydrogen detonating is to gasoline and gasoline is to lighter fluid.  If you can tell the difference between igniting lighter fluid and gas, then you'll know what I mean.  Hydrogen is quick when it comes to hho. ...which is why is suggested dampening with water vapor or exhaust.  gasoline is links of hydrocarbons - it's like a whole other story when it comes to combustion.

magifesq

Good points, I'm working on a direct hydrogen injection via the spark plug hole to eliminate hho losses in the intake.  I think the key to running on hho has got to be in being very efficient as well as effective.  Losses have got to be minimized.  I'm sure feeding hho into the manifold gets plenty into the intake, some of the hydrogen molecules stick on and into different surfaces they come into contact with.

jadaro2600

Quote from: magifesq on January 12, 2009, 11:24:22 AM
Good points, I'm working on a direct hydrogen injection via the spark plug hole to eliminate hho losses in the intake.  I think the key to running on hho has got to be in being very efficient as well as effective.  Losses have got to be minimized.  I'm sure feeding hho into the manifold gets plenty into the intake, some of the hydrogen molecules stick on and into different surfaces they come into contact with.

I've you're going to do this, then drop down to a single piston two stroke engine, perhaps modify the timing cam to be closed during injection.  Unfortunately for 2 cycles, there's no oil reservoir. ..this may be a good thing.  You may eventually have to add an oil reservoir to the system..and it's not car engine, but they're cheap to come by.

There are single piston 4 stroke engines which have their own oil reservoirs, however, they're three times as costly.  I would reccomend using a leaf blower, you can simply replace the fan blade area with a generator device.  Or keep the fan blade and make a space heater :P.