Simple,cheap,working,legal device to reduce electric bill(power factor optim.)

[Creativity]

the thing is, there is nothing wrong to happen with, a proper device,when u correct PF.As long as u stay on the 0.95-1 side and not overdo it to the case when the current starts to lead the voltage(and possibly meters start to turn backwards).BUT
as i repeat once more: in USA it could be different story with the meters.In many countries in Europe the meters measure the real power,even though we use apparent(VA) so no direct bill savings here.In long term we can save money by slowing down the increase in transmission costs that electricity company charge(because they will have less investements or delayed ones).
Next to it,current capacity of powerplants will be alright for longer time => emissions will be lower over a time period.

It should be confirmed by some measurement per country,what exactly is going on where.

[helmut]

@ all

If you want to save some Money, then first of all, reduce the need of electricity as much as you can.
This migt be done by using smaller Lams or LED bulbs.
Another way is, to use Timers to cut the time, that some Devices, like Chargers, are on the grid.

On another Place i had made some calkulation and like to reply it here .
The biggest save effect is based on the Voltage.
The correction on the Power faktor workes  for inductive loads only.
Inductive loads are from coils. Transformers, Motors and so on.

The cos/phi power factor on a meter is Zero, when there is no load connected.
As soon as one connect a inductive load ,on the plug in your home, one
pay for the reactive power too.
The usual meter das not include a circuit,that corrects the power factor.

During the night, if some electricity supplier, increase the voltage on the grid,it directly
encreases the amps, that all resistors take from the net.
This includes all non inductive resistors too. ( Heaters)
You have to pay for it without beein asked..................
helmut

Sorry guys
I did make a misstyping in the previous post.

The cos/phi power factor on a adjusted meter is 1, when there is no load connected.
As soon as one connect a inductive load ,on the plug in your home, one
pay for the reactive power too.

Now it is better.

Sorry, but shit happens.
helmut

[spinner]

that sounds very interesting as an electric company i would charge for 120Amps and not from one leg  r u sure it is true?

IF industry is using PFC it means it is beneficial for both the energy producer and consumer to use it.If we won't overdo PFC it should just be beneficial for the substations.
There was some discussion in one of the papers about using of PCF before companys trafo and after it(big energy user with own substation).At that time i wasn't putting much of an attention to this subject so i don't remember exacly what were the pros and cons of both approaches.

About the permissions i have no idea,but every cooling agregate at my shop has cap's on it providing some PFC.If this is allowed that adding extra cap here and there should not be of a much problem.I may be wrong.

First, thanks to Creativity for bringing this topic up..! It's a logical continuation of many similar previous threads (one of them beeing the one mentioned in the first post of this thread), but they all failed due to "unknown reasons"... (i'd say people were just not interested...)

Well, depends of what your personal standards for a possibility of "FE" really are... I'd say a "Power Factor Correcting" method is one of a more promissing ones, one of those which can bring you a "REAL" results instantly.... A slightly reduced electricity bill? Paying less, anyone? No?
Well, it's not exactly like finding a new energy source, or maybe inventing a perpetual motion... 

Here are my thoughts (from the original thread.)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6443.msg148417#msg148417

We've heard a few opinions. It seems that a member Fritznien is opposing a usefullness of a PFC method for an individual consumers.
I'd like to know why, are there any specialities regarding the principle and correcting methods worldwide?
Thanks!

[fuzzytomcat]

in USA it could be different story with the meters.In many countries in Europe the meters measure the real power,even though we use apparent(VA) so no direct bill savings here.In long term we can save money by slowing down the increase in transmission costs that electricity company charge(because they will have less investements or delayed ones).

It should be confirmed by some measurement per country,what exactly is going on where.

If you live in Europe most voltages are 240volt or 380 volt using both phases or lines form your utility provider as far as I can remember and with anything connected to your electrical service it will be a balanced load there is no 120 volt used. Only in the USA and some places in Canada have 120 volt and when you connect electrical to one of the two branch circuit legs to a grounded conductors in 120 volt branch circuit connections its easy to load up one of the two phases with more amperage causing a unbalanced load on the service.

[helmut]

@ all

If you want to save some Money, then first of all, reduce the need of electricity as much as you can.
This migt be done by using smaller Lams or LED bulbs.
Another way is, to use Timers to cut the time, that some Devices, like Chargers, are on the grid.

On another Place i had made some calkulation and like to reply it here .
The biggest save effect is based on the Voltage.
The correction on the Power faktor workes  for inductive loads only.
Inductive loads are from coils. Transformers, Motors and so on.

The cos/phi power factor on a meter is Zero, when there is no load connected.
As soon as one connect a inductive load ,on the plug in your home, one
pay for the reactive power too.
The usual meter das not include a circuit,that corrects the power factor.

During the night, if some electricity supplier, increase the voltage on the grid,it directly
encreases the amps, that all resistors take from the net.
This includes all non inductive resistors too. ( Heaters)
You have to pay for it without beein asked.

Give it a proove yourselve by just see the formula to calculate the electrical Power
and as well as to calculate the powerfactor.
The Voltage is a Key on all calculation.

I have ordered some of the power factor corrector devices.
As soon as they arrive, i will build a setup to test and proove about the actual
advantage that one can expect.

helmut

A Friend of mine called me some days ago to work with this  tchech Company that he knows.

They are working now with the technic that was announced here, and got a patent on it.

www.eramcz.eu

helmut