Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!

[Hoppy]

@Plengo

I'm currently using the MJ21194 which is the TO3 'Top hat' version and have not yet tried other transistors. I think it was Gagetmall that reported that he could discharge his battery and the fan would return the battery to the original voltage prior to discharge. I have also been able to do this and although I'm not certain, I think that the battery is genuinely re-charging rather than just recovering, even though it does not charge beyond the pre-discharge voltage. Have you seen this with your setup?

I have also found that the diode in charging lead to the battery pos terminal needs to be carefully chosen. The IN4007 works well but some other diodes not nearly so well.

John Bedini claims that self-charging is not possible using a single battery with feedback and I would certainly agree with him insofar as using conventional coils with iron rod, or ferrite cores. I've tried numerous variations of the monopole energsier and have never got this close to self-running even with high resistance coils. The fan is much more a closed magnetic circuit and with the outer continuous magnetic loop encircling the coils, it is much more efficient than the conventional coil and magnetic rotor.

Hoppy

[gadgetmall]

@Plengo

I'm currently using the MJ21194 which is the TO3 'Top hat' version and have not yet tried other transistors. I think it was Gagetmall that reported that he could discharge his battery and the fan would return the battery to the original voltage prior to discharge. I have also been able to do this and although I'm not certain, I think that the battery is genuinely re-charging rather than just recovering, even though it does not charge beyond the pre-discharge voltage. Have you seen this with your setup?

I have also found that the diode in charging lead to the battery pos terminal needs to be carefully chosen. The IN4007 works well but some other diodes not nearly so well.

John Bedini claims that self-charging is not possible using a single battery with feedback and I would certainly agree with him insofar as using conventional coils with iron rod, or ferrite cores. I've tried numerous variations of the monopole energsier and have never got this close to self-running even with high resistance coils. The fan is much more a closed magnetic circuit and with the outer continuous magnetic loop encircling the coils, it is much more efficient than the conventional coil and magnetic rotor.

Hoppy

Hey Guys . Good testing to you all .
Hoppy If resistance doesn't play a role in this feedback why then of all the fans i modified only the ones about resistance 60 above would feedback . the rest of the fans were 31 40 49 somewhere around there and they all would short out when trying to feed the BEMF to the Primary ? You know Bedini also said the Circuit was designed to shut down when we did this 
Al

[plengo]

@Plengo

I'm currently using the MJ21194 which is the TO3 'Top hat' version and have not yet tried other transistors. I think it was Gagetmall that reported that he could discharge his battery and the fan would return the battery to the original voltage prior to discharge. I have also been able to do this and although I'm not certain, I think that the battery is genuinely re-charging rather than just recovering, even though it does not charge beyond the pre-discharge voltage. Have you seen this with your setup?

I have also found that the diode in charging lead to the battery pos terminal needs to be carefully chosen. The IN4007 works well but some other diodes not nearly so well.

John Bedini claims that self-charging is not possible using a single battery with feedback and I would certainly agree with him insofar as using conventional coils with iron rod, or ferrite cores. I've tried numerous variations of the monopole energsier and have never got this close to self-running even with high resistance coils. The fan is much more a closed magnetic circuit and with the outer continuous magnetic loop encircling the coils, it is much more efficient than the conventional coil and magnetic rotor.

Hoppy

I am not sure If I understood your question but in my setup I have the case where the system runs and battery goes down in voltage, 1 day later turn off system and battery in 5 minutes restores to where it was when I started. It could be a case of the battery just recovering as you said, but certainly not the same case IF doing that for 5 days in a row. I would expect in my tests for the battery to lose some of its voltage after doing this for awhile but my battery is still the same voltage after 5 days under a constant discharge of around 7 ma.

My theory about what Bedini and Peter Linderman said  (Im not sure I got his friend's name right) is that it is "impossible" to charge a battery while one is discharging in the sence that one can not get current out and in "at the same time". Now, think about the Tesla four battery setup and even Bedini's 3 battery cigar box, he was able to do exactly the opposite. It sounds to me that IF a time period exists in between the out and in of current one CAN charge the battery although not the same time but virtually or apparently at the same time. If you watch the signal of this fan closely you will notice a long gap where there is no radiant spikes but one long pulse which could be coming from the large cap after the diode connected to the collector of the transistor.

In my setup, I can disconnect the battery and the system will still run for about 5 seconds pulsating like craizy, increasing the frequency until the cap is empty and there is no feedback anymore. In other words, a long slow death. The same does not happened when I do not use that large cap (C2 on my previous schematics) and disconnect the battery (it simply dies right there).  I think the cap is helping in collecting some of that feedback radiant spikes and feeding the fan while also feeding the battery back and helping both to run and charge at the same time. In my setup only helping the fan to continuing to run but not enough to charge the battery back.

Fausto.

[Hoppy]

Hey Guys . Good testing to you all .
Hoppy If resistance doesn't play a role in this feedback why then of all the fans i modified only the ones about resistance 60 above would feedback . the rest of the fans were 31 40 49 somewhere around there and they all would short out when trying to feed the BEMF to the Primary ? You know Bedini also said the Circuit was designed to shut down when we did this 
Al

Al

I had a difficult job getting mine to work without shutting down until I found a good diode to feedback to the primary. I'm not saying that resistance is not important but I don't think its critical, otherwise I would not have got my setup working at 19 ohms strand resistance. The base resistance was quite critical to get the best 'sweet spot'. Also, the build and quality of the fan may well have a big part to play.I could be right on the edge with this or just lucky.

Hoppy

[gadgetmall]

Al

I had a difficult job getting mine to work without shutting down until I found a good diode to feedback to the primary. I'm not saying that resistance is not important but I don't think its critical, otherwise I would not have got my setup working at 19 ohms strand resistance. The base resistance was quite critical to get the best 'sweet spot'. Also, the build and quality of the fan may well have a big part to play.I could be right on the edge with this or just lucky.

Hoppy

VEry Good getting 19 ohms resistance coil feedbacking . Hmmm . well I am glad you guys are at least no i'm not BSing you as this is not My nature and i was Leary   to share this good discovery when so many others out there have similar projects and simply wont give there setup and not give you a simple do it rather than Bsing you have to understand it before i let you have it . I don't care if i never Understand it . I am Happy with it just the way i built it and really am tickled you guys are getting some fun out of it  so have fun .If you finally figure out Why it works then yes I will Copy it down and treasure it for ever .  I am working on several NEW feedback systems that involve another secondary that is rectified ,stored and flashed back to the source . Yes it works but i am not releasing My method just yet .just a little tease  :)This is going to go good with a Stepped up version of little baby48 . a 117 volt ac fan .. If you ever have played with ac motors you know the generate high output if spun fast so i will start tearing the fan apart soon and rewire it like one of these and to be sure get 20 or 40 volts off it running a 12 volt batt. .I'm ready to run an inverter off these babys . I can run lights of this one . I'll post a picture in a bit . Its a jt (Joule Thief that draws 1 ma) on a pot and runs while selfcharging . at least it will do something besides Be a Squeak Toy  )  Also i want to try and wind two of the fan coils with No#32 wire and see if it will induce another voltage to store in a Cap . There is plenty of room on these 48 volt fans .
AL