Finally I think I got it !

[truth]

hi truth,

nice bunch of figures.

do you think PhiScience really didn't check the contents of the cylinder to make sure he had filled it?  or that maybe he just told us a story without doing the test at all?

i think not.  if his test is valid, that would mean you have a flaw in your last post.  what could it be?

i don't see anywhere PhiScience states he pulled up 5lbs of water, just "it had no problem drawing the water up and filling the cylinder completely." 

do you remember what makes syphoning work?  and not work?  doesn't one side have to weight more than the other to have movement to its side?  if so, if the hose used is the same size everywhere, to make water syphon one side (after being draped over a higher point) would have to be longer to make the content weight more, right?  since the end would now be lower than the source end, couldn't you make water flow?

what if we replaced the lower 5lbs of water in the syphon tube, which let's say is 5' long, with a 6", 5lb weight that seals inside the tube, but could still move inside the tube freely?  let's say the top (where the hose makes the turn from up to down) was 5' off the ground and the source side hose is put in the source water so the end is deep enough to always have positive supply.  just so we know, source water level is 6" off the ground.  if we prime the hose so there is no air inside (just as when the syphon effect works), would the water transfer from source to the side of the weight?

i think the bottom line is your relationship of the 5lb weight and the weight of the water (in the tube) is wrong.  the fact that a 5lb weight is used is not relevant.  as long as the weight is heavier than the weight of the water in the tube, we'll have transfer.

won't we?

tom

Dear tom,

Are you attacking me?

I pointed out a problem with the volume verses the potential.

It is impossible to siphon water to a higher level, because it will only move downhill as an end result.

Keeping it fun and interesting, and that is the TRUTH.

[AB Hammer]

Hay Gravitator

I see you are looking in another direction. I found some photos that had an old design that looks like it might give even more ideas.

[truth]

@ everyone

Tbird has corrected a mistake that I made, and I thank him for keeping me real.

" 1 Cubic inch per 0.036127 pound  =  The weight of water
5 lbs / 0.036127 = 138.4 cubic inches of water
The radius of a 1-1/2 inch bore cylinder is 0.75 inches
0.75 times pi 3.142 = 2.35650square inches
138.4 cubic inches / 2.3565 = cylinder height of 58.73144 inches"

Was what I originally posted.
It should have been radius squared times pi.
0.75 X 0.75 = 0.56250
0.56250 x 3.142 = 1.76738
So
138.4 cubic inches / 1.76738  = cylinder height of 78.30823 inches

Which is much worse.

Thanks for the correction Tbird   

[FreeEnergy]

i can be wrong but i think the piston has too much leverage that over comes the weight of the water so it will not turn. the piston is too far out from the center causing leverage that out weights the water. dont seem like it will work. like they always say build it and we shall see if it really works.

[tbird]

i can be wrong but i think the piston has too much leverage that over comes the weight of the water so it will not turn. the piston is too far out from the center causing leverage that out weights the water. dont seem like it will work. like they always say build it and we shall see if it really works.

free energy,

i had the same concern, so i looked up levers and studied a bit.  i came to this conclusion.

if you have a 20 foot lever with the fulcrum in the middle at 10 feet, and a ten pound weight on each end, this should balance (i used these numbers for easy calc). now if you move one weight in 1 foot, it would be out of balance. 1 foot = 10% of arm distance.  this means it looks like 9 pounds to the weight still out on the end.  to get it back in balance, all we have to do is add 1 pound (10%) to the weight that was moved in.  if this 1 pound is closer to the end, that end would now be heavier and over balanced to that side.

i think this small amount would show up in any assy, but shouldn't be hard to over come.

truth,

while i'm here,

The vacuum pressure IS proportionate to the radius of that cylinder and the amount of weight, so that a larger diameter cylinder requires more weight to produce the same PSI vacuum.

this seems to be true, but do we really need the psi to be the same?  wouldn't any difference be enough?  i understand that more pressure equals more flow equals quicker transfer, but wouldn't any flow make the machine work, all-be-it slow?