Newsflash: Overunity is impossible

[newsflash]

@newsflash
Hmmm, I can place a black piece of paper in the sunlight and the energy from this sunlight will heat the paper, I have put none of this heat into the paper---- the sunlight has, you are going to have to be much more specific in your objections.

OK, OK, this and everything else you said on that post are based on a common misunderstanding.

That energy is coming from the Sun. The Sun is a source of energy. That energy is transferred onto the paper. The paper then eventually cools down, as the heat is lost into the atmosphere -- again, a transfer of energy.

The energy goes from The Sun to the Paper, back into the atmosphere. It's the same damn energy the whole time. Nothing is created..

You have a scarily fundemental lack of understanding of the absolute most basic concepts. 10-year-olds can understand this.

The point that you missed is that the acoustic guitar's body is a natural amplifier needing no energy from the ELECTRIC COMPANY.
  It actually stores the waves entering it, and emits waves of greater amplitude commensurate with the amount of wave energy it can store.
    It is truly an interesting phenomenon that is very different from 99.9% of all physics.

It doesn't store anything, FFS. Your body's movements are the original energy source. You get that energy from the food you eat. The energy from your fingers is transferred onto the string, which vibrates. These vibrations are heard by our ears as sound.

[allcanadian]

@newsflash
You seem to be very selective in how you reply to my questions? There is still the issue of why you believe there can be such a thing as underunity which I find very confusing. This would seem to contradict the conservation of energy and 100 years of physics.

[newsflash]

@newsflash
You seem to be very selective in how you reply to my questions? There is still the issue of why you believe there can be such a thing as underunity which I find very confusing. This would seem to contradict the conservation of energy and 100 years of physics.

Just what the HELL are you talking about. Underunity is where you get less energy out than in. That is the case for every system in the history of everything. Go back to school.

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But you guys, you're a bunch of non-scientists, for some reason playing around all day with concepts that will never work.

Ignoramus...

I am an actual scientist, employed as a scientist, and you are an ignoramus...

*chimes in
I told you this thread would get more posts than most good ideas.
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It's simply distracting me at this point.  People meddle in science, it's how they discover.  If they already knew the end result to which they seek, then there might be no other creation save for what is wanted to be created - given the state of human nature, the net result would be a minimalist society primarily revolving around an alpha male structure; but as it so happens, our would of interactions is filled with novelty items and other generally useless things that one person or another has come to find useful, or God forbid, entertaining, and this system has motioned in favor of other social forms and ways of living different from that of a pride of lions.

If we were to all truly be ignoramuses then we'd have to forget about the idea of science as it stands.

If we meddle in many things, we come up with many things.  These products may eventually result in the construction of something useful.  This is the idea behind open source at least.

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Most 10 year olds can answer a question too, so I wouldn't bandy about estimations of intelligence capability and understanding based on age at this point.

I'll re-iterate.

newsflash, why do you think these very learned men upon whose theories you rest in justification of your stance, label them so?

Let me help you.

From Merriam Webster:


Main Entry:
    the·o·ry Listen to the pronunciation of theory
Pronunciation:
    \ˈthÄ"-É™-rÄ", ˈthir-Ä"\
Function:
    noun
Inflected Form(s):
    plural the·o·ries
Etymology:
    Late Latin theoria, from Greek theōria, from theōrein
Date:
    1592

1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2: abstract thought : speculation
3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances â€"often used in the phrase in theory<in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption : conjecture c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

Pay distinct attention to definition #5 's equation of plausible and scientific acceptable general principle and then consider the definition of plausible.


Main Entry:
    plau·si·ble Listen to the pronunciation of plausible
Pronunciation:
    \ˈplȯ-zÉ™-bÉ™l\
Function:
    adjective
Etymology:
    Latin plausibilis worthy of applause, from plausus, past participle of plaudere
Date:
    1565

1 : superficially fair, reasonable, or valuable but often specious <a plausible pretext>
2 : superficially pleasing or persuasive <a swindler… , then a quack, then a smooth, plausible gentleman â€" R. W. Emerson>
3 : appearing worthy of belief <the argument was both powerful and plausible>

....and notice that "superficial" and "appearance" seem the operative words.

It might be that such learned people know that they are just providing the "best excuse" until someone else comes along with a better one that answers more questions.

Just a guess

P.S. The same energy was used to pluck the string of both the electric and the acoustic, but the acoustic used the tool of a sound box to amplify the volume of that finger pluck instead of the input of more energy from an electric amplifier.
The string may vibrate at the same way with the same frequency on both guitars, but I may not hear the note in a crowded room from the electric without an electrical amplifier, but I can from the acoustic plucked note.

Seems someone had this theory about the soundbox being the only way to amplify the volume amplitude of a guitar note until Adolf Rickenbacker made available his device to the  public.

Seems he had a theory too. I wonder if it will hold true as long as the soundbox's did.