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Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!

Started by Magnethos, February 02, 2009, 08:37:03 PM

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fritz

Dear Overunity Seekers !

Maybe nobody wants to realize it - but capacitors - like any other electrical components - and everything else on earth - are not perfect.
If you shorten an almost empty battery - you see how the voltage recovers after removing the short-circuit bridge.
Why ?
Because the battery acts as an infinite amount of elementary batteries - which are partly dead (if empty) or not - which can be seen from the outside that the "internal resistance" - thats an "ideal" approach increases.
BTW its really very difficult to discharge a battery to almost "0" - unless u shorten it for a very long periode.
Similar issues apply to most of capacitors - in higher or lower degreee.
HV caps are well known for these effects.

If you short-circuit them - they are not empty. Internal charge arranges in a way that there is no voltage at the connections.
Its like a bottle with some liquid you cannot empty completly.
BTW: Discharged is not the "lowest" internal energy state of these caps. They tend to increase their "outside" voltage to achieve internal lowest energy state again.
Well short circuit again - same thing - can do that ad infinitum.

This is even supported by the very low leakage current of HV caps.

People who design high precision integrators for very sensible equippement know that.
There are some types of caps which shows very less of that effect - mks types for example.

Now you can flame me to death.

rgds.

alan

No need for flaming, just need to experimentally rule this out.
load test maybe, or energy amplification (which is the goal of OU), to minimize the significance of what you talk about.

thanks for the vids magnethos

NRGFromTheVacuum

Quote from: Frederic2k1 on February 18, 2009, 10:50:11 AM
@ NRGFromTheVacuum


The blue-marked 200 volts could also be the bemf of the coil or am I confounding things here ?




The BEMF is always measured below the input voltage.

I'm at work right now, but I will try and post a pic of the BEMF spike later. 

Frederic2k1

Quote from: NRGFromTheVacuum on February 18, 2009, 01:30:19 PM
The BEMF is always measured below the input voltage.

I'm at work right now, but I will try and post a pic of the BEMF spike later. 


Are you sure ?
I mean the voltage, after the current through a coil stops and the magnetic field collapses. This voltage is sometimes much higher (in high-inductive coils) , so that you can lit up a neon of 90 volts with only a source-voltage of e.g. 10 volts.

There are special booster circuits witch do that, it is like a transformer with only one coil...

nevertheless thank you for your answer and sorry for my newbee questions.

Magnethos

Quote from: Frederic2k1 on February 18, 2009, 03:57:49 PM

Are you sure ?
I mean the voltage, after the current through a coil stops and the magnetic field collapses. This voltage is sometimes much higher (in high-inductive coils) , so that you can lit up a neon of 90 volts with only a source-voltage of e.g. 10 volts.

There are special booster circuits witch do that, it is like a transformer with only one coil...

nevertheless thank you for your answer and sorry for my newbee questions.

Look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9irQJ6mivs

It will answer your questions about the boost converter and the NRG circuit. They are Not the same.