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ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

Started by Tito L. Oracion, February 06, 2009, 01:45:08 AM

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Magluvin

Quote from: Jeg on August 03, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Hi Tito
I hope you are fine :)

You have many times stated that a zener diode is necessary in your setups as for a control. I understand that we need it across the output capacitor to prevent it from overcharging. Do you find it a good idea to add a zener diode in series with the kicker coil's diode so to prevent any current flow from battery to the output capacitor?

Regards
Jeg
Not sure he meant it for that.  Never really gave the reason for use as i remember, though I may have missed it.  I always thought 1 of 2 things.  Either used to not let the cap go below a determined voltage(cutoff)("never kill the dipole"), or used as a sort of solid state spark gap of sorts, low voltage. Told me once in a pm that they can handled a lot of current. In his very first diagram of his circuit that was suppose to be the way of Steven Mark, he stated not to forget the zener diode, of which I imagine it is the one next to the resistor with the relay contacts.

If it were to not let the cap go above a predetermined voltage, Id think it to be a very high voltage zener than what we are used to, but he said at least 3v zener, so. He uses the term avalanche a lot. maybe these are what he is implying...

http://www.highvoltageconnection.com/articles/avalanche-diodes.htm

Mags

Jeg

Quote from: Magluvin on August 03, 2020, 09:20:16 PM

If it were to not let the cap go above a predetermined voltage, Id think it to be a very high voltage zener than what we are used to, but he said at least 3v zener, so. He uses the term avalanche a lot. maybe these are what he is implying...

Hi Mags
By thinking simple, if i were to charge (with kickback spikes) two caps at the source voltage so to connect them in series and return some energy back to the source then a zener is perfect for that. Tito repeated many times that zener is for control, or else...boom! I just wonder if he also tried a zener so to block the source current from flowing in to the output caps. By this, only the kickback voltage passes and nothing else.

Regards
Jeg

onepower

Mags
QuoteNot sure he meant it for that.  Never really gave the reason for use as i remember, though I may have missed it.  I always thought 1 of 2 things.  Either used to not let the cap go below a determined voltage(cutoff)("never kill the dipole"), or used as a sort of solid state spark gap of sorts, low voltage. Told me once in a pm that they can handled a lot of current. In his very first diagram of his circuit that was suppose to be the way of Steven Mark, he stated not to forget the zener diode, of which I imagine it is the one next to the resistor with the relay contacts.

It's kind of funny that everyone including most supposed experts never could figure out the diode paradox. You see in many FE devices we see diodes which appear to be connected backwards so of course most assume the builder is incompetent. Some like myself routinely use diodes connected back to back and most assume it's a mistake. However nothing could be further from the truth and it is based on expertise not incompetence.

Now suppose we want a low voltage input to produce a HV output. We could use a transformer or coil with a very long conductor or we could use a few turns of wire, the inductive discharge and a reversed diode to ensure only HV may pass. The reverse theshold or break down voltage of the diode now becomes a HV regulator of sorts. If we only want HV to pass and not reverse then we use two diodes connected back to back.

In one case we can stagger the break down theshold to produce a HV regulator/oscillator. Here we use two diodes back to back with different break down voltages. We use one as a high voltage regulator and the other as a negative resistance oscillator. In another case we can use one reversed diode as a HV regulator and a neon bulb like a LV NE2 and a capacitor as a reverse current oscillator section. In another case we can use a reversed diode/capacitor on the front end as a current limiter/oscillator which only allows HV impulses to pass at a given frequency or period. We are limited only by our imagination and what I just explained was not learned from a book but experience at the bench.

In fact we can replace any number of inefficient transformer/converter or LC sections with a few simple components to achieve the same result. What seems to throw many for a loop is that they have no imagination and know only what they were taught. They are not inventors nor are they experimenters who are always finding new and more creative ways of doing things.

So the next time people see any component which seems out of place they should question it rather than dismiss it, question everything... that is the way.

Regards


onepower

To expand on my last post, why add a reversed diode or back to back diodes to a circuit?.

Adding this new component relates to what energy is, all energy is kinetic on every level and the more motion something has the more energy it has. Thus at the very least we are trying to conserve the motion of something and best case increase it's motion. So instead of forcing a large current down a conductor which then produces secondary forces such as self-induction and resistance which inhibit it's motion we should break up the current into smaller pieces. Instead of using a low voltage high current we transform the current into high voltage impulses.

So we add back to back diodes to a coil output, we charge the coil with a current then discharge the coil through the diodes which only allows high voltage impulses to pass and not reverse. In this way we have filtered the output by only allowing the most efficient form of energy to pass. We do this because a low voltage DC current invokes great losses where a high voltage impulse does not.

If we add a capacitor across the coil linked to the output the output will oscillate. The coil discharges charging the capacitor and when the voltage exceeds the diode breakdown voltage an impulse passes partially discharging the capacitor. Then the capacitor recharges, the voltage rises again, the threshold is exceeded and another impulse is produced. In this way we can produce high voltage impulses with no mosfet's, transistor's or external electronic oscillators.

So why do we want high voltage impulses?. First, the HV impulses have almost no losses as they move along a conductor and second the impulses can induce forces in other conductors where a continuous current cannot. In this respect we are concerned with energy, the more something or the things around it move the more energy they have, all energy is motion on every level.

Understand, the form of energy we generally use as low voltage continuous currents is the least efficient method of transferring or utilizing energy. Nature does not use them because it wouldn't work, little energy would move anywhere and nothing would happen. So we should comprehend and copy nature if we want better results, different results than we normally get. As Tesla said, HV impulses are the future not AC or DC but high voltage impulses.

Regards




Jeg

Onepower
The most comprehensive posts i have read since a lot time.

Much appreciated
Jeg