ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[gyulasun]

Here is a better one : http://www.youtube.com/user/NRGFromTheVacuum#p/u/0/Q6q77SZlE4Y

Look at the end for schematic, it's now more clear then previous , I hope this is still the same effect.

I saw all those videos last year and overlooked one fact.
This capacitor is never connected to battery source in closed loop !
In fact each time when it is connected to battery - it's also SHORTED!

So - YES ! it is Bearden method of charging without current ! Current flow through the coil and back to the battery while in the same time capacitor is in short-circuit.

Did I overlooked something ?

Once Tito said something about WING EDGE effect, and if you follow other thread there is Ali who invented electrical analogy to siphon effect.
Maybe it's one and the same ?

A spike of current flow through the coil and meet capacitor. Now there are where Wing Edge or Spihon effect HAS TO occur. I really have no explanation what is going on later..I have just a few ideas.At least 3 he he 

Hi Forest,

My understanding on the circuit shown in the video is that when the two switches are activated, current is taken from the input source (either from a battery or from a capacitor), hence energy is CONSUMED from the source.

And when the switches are opened, the flyback pulse from the coil charges up the output capacitor (Notice there must be a certain time difference in the switch-off operation of the switches with respect to each other so that the flyback pulse should be able to charge up the output cap before the circuit is fully opened with the switch in series with the coil).

So my question is why is it said that charging the cap cost no current (from the input source)? 

Current is actually taken from the source by the coil, hence the magnetic energy thus created in the coil is transferred into a capacitor from the flyback pulse's energy.  Normally these two energies (i.e. the one stored in the coil and the one received in the capacitor) are pretty much the same (the difference comes mainly from coil losses). 

It would be good to know the self inductance of the coil and make some calculations to compare the magnetic energy stored in the coil and the electric energy captured from the flyback pulse and collected in the capacitor.

Thanks,  Gyula

[MasterPlaster]

What is Wing Edge Effect? My search returned nothing.

[forest]

Look at the place of coil and switch.IMHO if that was charging by flyback that would recharge source capacitor or battery. How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?

To make it clear someone should test a modified circuit but I really don't know if correct switching could be done in such case.

(I have no room to fully make down switch but you should see what I mean.)

[forest]

What is Wing Edge Effect? My search returned nothing.

"A wing is a device which encourages the air to flow over it so that when it leaves the rear wing edge, the air moves downwards. That produces a thrust upwards on the wing. A smoke-filled wind tunnel shows this beautifully with curling eddies of smoke flicking off the wing edges. Unfortunately to make a good eddy takes time. The wing has to move a few times its own length to get things started. This makes it tricky if you are going to flap as the maximum travel of a wing is about its own length and very little lift is generated for most of the stroke. Nature has come up with a number of interesting solutions to this problem of which the "clap-fling" is a good example. When a small bird or insect wants to take off it needs a lot of lift. What it does is bring its wings together above its back so they clap, expelling air from between them. As the wings are separated, air is drawn quickly in to fill the void. The wings are flung apart and lift is generated immediately as the air is already in motion in the correct way. "

[gyulasun]

Look at the place of coil and switch.IMHO if that was charging by flyback that would recharge source capacitor or battery. How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?

To make it clear someone should test a modified circuit but I really don't know if correct switching could be done in such case.

(I have no room to fully make down switch but you should see what I mean.)

How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?


Yes, I also pondered on this question since yesterday and revise the flyback explanation as follows:

1)  both switches get closed, current is taken from the input source and flows into the coil  (the amount of peak current is for instance 23.2V/4.7=4.93 Amper, 4.7 Ohm is the DC resistance of the coil, 23.2V is in the input capacitor 7500uF)

2) now the second switch (that is in parallel with the output capacitor 35uF) gets open, the first switch should still remain closed)

3) the output capacitor starts charging up because the previous current that was flowing the moment before opening the second switch should change due to the appearance of the output capacitor in an already series LC circuit, to this current change the coil should respond by a flyback pulse (the previous current gets reduced as the output capacitor charges up, this causes the current change)

4) now the first switch is opened (and it must be opened in the moment when the voltage across the output capacitor just peaks, this occurs when most of the magnetic energy stored so far in the coil swings over to the output capacitor, like in a normal series LC resonant circuit).

So I think a magnetic - electric energy transfer happens in the series LC circuit and this explains the importance of timing of the switches, sorry for my previous explanation was not a detailed one, I know flyback pulse comes about in the moment of switching off the current in a coil but then the pulse cannot really charge up a capacitor that is already NOT connected,  (maybe the flyback energy goes via the spark when the first switch is opened?).

Your modified circuit with using a third switch could test the dilemma of where the charge come into the output capacitor from: it comes from the energy swing of the LC resonant circuit or from "outside" like from aether...
But how do you think the timing of the third switch wrt the other two switches?

Regards, Gyula