ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[Magluvin]

Hey Gyula

well, lets say we flip the switch so that the cap is being charged through the load, if we let the cap fully charge, it has more voltage than the source, just like my precharge circuit, where the inductor pulls mor from the battery than the battery has potential for. During that time of charging, the load will affect the way the charge happens, whether it is resistive(slow charge), inductive(initial currents will be low) but in the end, the charge that is in the cap, got work done while being charged.
Now would you agree that the amount of energy in that cap comes close to being what the source usage was?
Its dang close, and we get to use that energy again to do the same amount of work, but the source only has to do half of it.  Period.  =]

Mags   Im sweating. and its 75 deg in here.  lol  this is good   very good.

[gyulasun]

Well in that case I would agree but it should be tested with real components in practice, with well adjustable timing for the switch, not by simulations.

Normally the cap voltage comes close to a certain value of the voltage source (voltage is divided between the load and the capacitor, depending on the their impedance ratio) and during the resonant energy swingings, depending on the time constants, the voltage across the cap may approach to that of the source. Switch off timing is important.

Sorry but I cannot recall your precharge circuit, I do not closely follow this thread...  When you have time could you point to it.

Gyula

[Magluvin]

Gyula

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg257252#msg257252

On the right, I could just charge the cap directly from the source and get source voltage in the cap, but ad the diode and inductor, we get inertia in the inductor that pulls more energy from the source to load the cap up to 2 times the source voltage.   I am not saying that the extra is free.    The diode just keeps the cap and coil from oscillating and cap gets charged

But in my new circuit, the load does not have to be a transformer.  It can be a resistor for heat, it can be a motor, AC motor at that. 

Try this. rig up a 12v battery a dpst switch a cap and 2 diodes, Charge the cap(what ever value) throught the load, the motor will turn for a bit. That is energy used by the motor from the source through the cap, and that will qualify as power from the source. Then we run the motor from just the caps charge, and the motor will run for the same amount of time.  2 for 1   Of course the motor will go in the other direction each flipping of the switch but you get the drift.   Imagine the cap empty as a conductor, the source will only see the motor as a load at first, so full current possibilities get to the motor at first and start to lower as the cap is charged. Once the motor stops, the cap is at full charge.  Try it    And if we know caps, the cap discharge into the load can be more than from the source.

12v bat  charge a cap with a resistor, it will take longer but the cap will get to source voltage.

It is very very easy to do and test


Mags

[forest]

well,

I'd like to know what is happening when we charge a capacitor through the coil as in Tesla igniter patent ?
If capacitor is charged and become a gap in the circuit how coil BEHAVE ? Does it try to discharge desperately because sees open circuit ? I think not, I think capacitor has too much resistance I hope so.Then , does coil search for another path to collapse magnetic field ? well, what if this coils CAN MAKE a SPARK ? would such spark be loud and bright or RATHER SILENT and almost invisible ? would such spark ionize air in spark gap and allow to dump cap energy silently as unidirectional ARC.would that spark from coil be very fast to open and close gap for cap dump ? would cap remain charged  to the same level (almost ) as previously. not sure, but maybe this is what Tito wanted us to know.maybe even that cap from all energy stored can discharge as Tesla mentioned : in intermittent way generating many kicks from one inductive kick, but then it would require very careful choosing of elements.

you are right Mags , we have 241 and that 2 is coil magnetic field.

yet remember this is not OU, this is what Tesla described : taking energy at the faster rate
something is still missing I think but we have found maybe the first step to solution Mags

[forest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cUS03yNl40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9irQJ6mivs&feature=related

I know that videos were posted previously but I like them 
still not sure how it works but I feel it is related to Tesla igniter patent
I think I should compare schematics