ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[Magluvin]

He's not "turning the motor off and on"

Doesnt the pat say so?

Mags

[Magluvin]

Quote:


"The other terminal, as A, connects with a second brush K, bearing on the controller, so that the current which passes through and operates the motor is periodically interrupted."


"The circuit including the motor is of relatively high self-induction, and this property is imparted to it by coils of the motor, or, when these are not sufficient, by the addition of suitable choking-coils, so that at each break of the motor-circuit a current of high electro-motive force will be developed for charging the condenser, which may therefore be small and inexpensive."


End quote.




Yes Magluivin,


Twice! 


You people listen to everyone except the ones who have done the fucking work!  You want to progress, learn to recognize those who have a clue from the clueless!

I know this. Smoky was disputing it so I figured he didnt read it, so I asked.

Mags

[Magluvin]

Just a clarification on my part....

The Ozone circuit is the same as the Igniter circuit, except for the cap charging through the primary. In the igniter the primary is not inline with the large inductor while charging the cap. Not sure what the significant difference would be of the 2 circuits.


Mags

[DivByZero]

My Dogma...


The cap is the fulcrum of the system because:

    +    It is charged in series with the primary......


    +    It is discharged in parallel with the primary......



Fundamentally you are dealing with the same components, however, you must recognize that you are dealing with two distinct circuits, circuits operating at different instances, circuits which owing to their specific relations CANNOT oscillate at the same frequency, circuits which owing to the aforementioned are not operating in phase! 


Your eyes have been shut to the true nature of this and just about every other circuit Tesla has preserved.  You only see half of a whole.  You only see the parallel LC, you dont understand what the parallel LC is.  Most assume  when you have L and C you must tune.  Just because you can doesn't mean it's what you are supposed to do.

Ok, I'm still stuck at this post. "Fulcrum", sounds almost like a "ground"? Erfinder, can you elaborate on this?

[sm0ky2]

Yes I read the patent
And the associated patents that are referenced therein
There is two drawings associated with it
And much more text than can fit in the uspto web index.
Most copies of his patent are truncated shortly after the
Numbered claims. Tesla goes on for a good minute in
everything he writes.


In particular, in his discussions concerning the dc motors
Wherein he describes what's going on inside.
The disruption occurs always. That's what makes the motor work.
The G brush takes the current from the disrupted field coil
And dumps it in the cap instead of into the air as emf, like a normal
motor.
Taking this out of the circuit doesn't stop the disruption
It stops the collapse from collecting in the cap.
There are other ways to do this, as described in his other patents.


We can tear apart word for word, but he clearly states that the motor
is connected by any ordinary means, then placed into the circuit.
The "circuit controller", which contains the motor brush G
Times the field collapse of the motor with the charging of the capacitor
This happens during the disruption
When the commutator inside the motor dumps the field to allow
continuous rotation.
The data sheets of every modern motor have all the info we need
The same variables they use to determine the motors rpm
The same motors can be made to run at a different rpm
By simply changing the geometry of an armature or the commutator


In "dc" terms constant current flows from the source
The duty cycle is 100% -( a fraction of time between the breaks)
If you add up the surface area of both commutators
You see that it is (almost) always on.


Electromagnetically, there is a high frequency a/c response.
He is taking the a/c which already occurs inside the dc motor
and dumping it out into the cap through the low self induction
of the primary.
The air gap in the primary circuit which dumps the cap to ground
Is on the face of the rotating disk.
Brush (inverse) commutator G is on the rim.


Assuming a bilateral internal commutator, and its' mirror image externally
The capacitor sees a high potential field collapse 4 times per rotation
The simplified rotary spark gap arcing twice, but knowing Tesla, nothing
is ever simplified so he probably used 4 arc points on the disk face.
To keep everything in resonance with the motor.
Then the gap distance and motor rpm could be set to whatever you desired.
Which he hints about in this patent and more thoroughly describes in others
that use this same set-up.
This is echoed by the second photo in which we see half the number of
commutations and half the inductance on the field coil.


The dc motor is always on,
The current flowing though it
Is disrupted (technically). This is always the case.
But the motor is on. it's the same as a normal dc motor.
If you put dc motor and battery on a scope
You can see the a/c frequency
But no one generally cares about that because we
throw it away to improve motor efficiency
Tesla is simply using that which is thrown away
as a high frequency circuit driver.
Storing it in a capacitor
And stepping up the voltage when it discharges
Through the secondary.
Which, in this device, ionizes the gas between the plates
as a factor of the charge potential, the volume of gas, and
the materials constants of the gas, and gas in general.
pressure is ambient in this example, so standard equations apply
with adjustments for temperature and altitude.
This can be used to mathematically calculate the plate distance
By knowing the max charged a/c potential
Instead of trial and error changing plate distances and fan speed
If your goal was to in fact "produce ozone" or perform similar
electrochemical reactions.


For the sake of discussion we can throw the secondary into a
category called "ok now that we have this, what do we do with it?"
The secondary can be anything from radio broadcast, artificial lightning,
High rpm, low torque motors, or a way to destroy bridges and skyscrapers
with little more than a 9v battery.


Understand we have today high frequency signal generators
That can do a much better job that these 100yr old tricks.
It's really not any different than our modern solid state ionizers
Except that Tesla operated by inherently different values when it comes
to energy consumption.
Tesla designed his circuits to amplify as they performed work.
Our modern engineers design circuits to consume the energy as work.
What is not work, disappears as heat and emf.


Tesla says that if we used it all, it would all be 100% dissipated as heat
in the wiring and nothing would be send further down the line.
And as work


But how does that work?
Isn't that ou? We have extra heat ?
No
Because thermodynamics views this as two independent systems.
One system energy goes in and performs work
And energy goes out to the source.
In the other energy comes in turns into heat
And energy goes out to the source.
The laws apply as intended.
Since the source is the same source, and both the work circuit
and heating circuit are thermodynamically 'legal'
The result is more energy is used from the source before returning
to the source.
Not an increase in efficiency in terms of energy in and out
The efficiency of both systems combined is actually less than the
efficiency of either system by itself.
But rather an increase of consumption of the (normally wasted)
Energy flow.


The Ozone maker is no different. It is a Load that receives a portion of the induction
through the primary. The rest is just dumped across the capacitor.
If the secondary were connected to a heating coil it would be the same.
In a sense, this is an old version of the 3-battery charging system.


It's really all irrelevant since we can just connect the primary to a
signal generator or timer circuit, with enough inductance to make it spark across a gap, or
other equivalent variable impedance/capacitance.
And inductor with a variable capacitor
Or capacitor with variable inductor
Can be tuned to perform the same function
It's right about (but not exactly) that point at which the time of induction precisely coincides
with the timing from the charging source.
This is a frequency at which you will see amplitudes increase across the circuit
Impedance through the primary decreases
Voltage induced through the secondary increases
And your Ozone plates should work very well.


We can of course, just drive a transformer with the signal generator and make Ozone.
Open up an ionizer and you will most likely see an hv transformer or a voltage multiplying
capacitor bank.
But that would be UnTesla in nature and will not result in more usable power.