Knitel's InfinityPump

[itanimuLLi]

Hi all,
This is the solution to the air problem.

Use the weight 100 as a cylindrical weight and use polyurethane foam which are used in toilet syphones or in home insulation, in the the space where air supposed to be and the problem is solved. You can not have air above the weight cose air will expand in vacume the water cant pump up.

[tsl]

It would be nice if someone take a closer look to the hydrostatic pressures in the device...

[tbird]

to all since reply #7,

i don't know if it was too hard to access or just laziness or just over every bodies head, but i think we should read the post and comment on its merit.

for ease of use, i post it here below.



hi wiz,

i'm sorry to say, i think you owe hans an apology.  i agree he is not very specific, but has given enough (if researched) to find the answer.

his comment was basically you can't float the piston.  my come back was to increase the volume of the weight enough to displace more weight (water here) than the weight used to pump the water.   this would be well and fine except that the amount of increase for the given area of the piston/disk would require all of the space given for the stroke, not just some.

this brings us to his statement about  hydraulics.  this has to be applied because of the syphon effect.  liquids being what they are, must follow certain rules (not always what we want or think they should be).  i think where we get thrown off is in the beginning when we hear 100 lbs or 100 kg.  THAT's a lot of weight!!!  but really what we have to look at is how much is applied to each square unit (inch, cm, mm, ect.)  i use U.S. measurements so i would say pounds per sq.in. (psi).  so if we have 100 pounds spread over 100 sq.in. (that's 10 inches by 10 inches), this would equal 1 psi.  now we have to figure how much does the water weight in the supply tube (column) and then how much is that per sq.in .  let's say it is 1" x 1" (make it easy).  from the reseach we find that 1 cubic inch of water weights .036127 lbs.  so how many cubic inches can we stack up before we get to 1 lb (100lbs hanging from 10" x10" disk = 1 lb psi)?  well 1 / .036127 = 27.68 inches.  so now we know the "head pressure of a 1 inch square pipe 27.68 inches high, 1 lb psi.  EDIT:  that's as high as we can go with 100 lbs applied to a 10" x 10" disk sealed in a 10" x 10" cylinder.

this is starting to look like a problem.  not much travel.  in this we have to have the weight and volume to displace 100lbs and still have room to move water (stroke).  let's see, how much volume (displacement) does 100lbs require to float?  since we know 1 cubic inch of water weights .036127 lbs, we can say 100 lbs will require 2768 cubic inches.  since we already have a given surface area for the disk, 100 square inches, all we need now is the height.  so, 2768 / 100 sq.in. = 27.68 inches high.  that sounds just the length of our supply tube, which will leave NO room for a stroke.  NO STROKE, NO MACHINE!

there is always a possibility i made a mistake, but i don't think so.  if you see one please respond with propper reference (as you have asked hans to do).

btw, Gravitator's machine doesn't work either as drawn, but for a different reason (which he knows about).

i'm not trying to be a wise guy, but right is right.  thanks for your help hans.

tom

[Bulbz]

Why are people talking about air? There is no air in the system, those white empty spaces are vacuum.

That's what I thought.

[newton2]

Hello Honoured Profiles and the Honoured Administrator of This The Honourable OU-Forum !

Thanks about this other per "Head-Lines" promoted "perhaps"-OU-Methods-Idea !

YES....really a "Point" for further ALL-Classical-Mechanics-founded Discussions (pro)-et-contra :
the Gravity-Force´s Maths-Integral over a Closed Path of a [Force x Way]........there are still some hidden un-discovered possibilities for OU and for Space-Drive in Classical Mechanics´s Foundations
Theses......i.e. to re-formulate the Original Newtonian Mass<->Force<->Acceleration<->velocity/positionsalterings<->etc..........!!

Well-then...now about this per Topic (Page 1) suggested Idea...could a kind of ONE-SHOT/ONE-EVENT-OU be possible ...with kind Reference to theTopic´s enclosed nice clear Drawing/Vdeo-Sequence :

==>>
The 100-kilo-grams CLOSE-Fitting Piston "ends" at "Bottom" of Water-Cylinder......the Piston seemingly is "Internal-Functional as Passive" and seemingly has a "Weight"-to-Volume-Ratio of
more than liquid/Water...........THOUGH because of One-Time-Process-Step , THEN is the NEXT Circumstance : HOW TO COULD LIFT UP AGAIN THE 100-kilo-grams Piston.......a basical Calculation involving also Piston´s Own Weight-to-Volume-Ratio though seems to "get" a Total-ForcexWay-Result as NOT to be even a ONE-SHOT/ONE-EVENT-OU-Process.......!!     <<==

Some very-"loosely-brief comments :
##Gravity-Field is "meant" as a CONSTANTLY-Being Force...NOT to be altered to suppose....then
how  if NOT being a GRAVITY , though if THEN  "performed" in a only-per-rotational-"RxOmegaxOmega"-"force"-Area......THEN though there THEN  is the socalled "Coreolis-Force".....etc......or just etc of "The too established Dogmes-Physics"..........
though such seemingly "counter-OU"-Aspects have been realized about for several Y-Decades.......
still though: OU has NOT been "proven" to be "NOT-possible" "once-for-all-as-all-in-total "NO"......
.......==>>for there are still some un-discovered OU-Aspects hidden in Classical Mechanics.........<<==.....!

NO,I am NOT intending for to would DE-courage any Ideas about socalled Gravity-Caused-SELFRUNNERS/SELFLIFTERS...for many requested for interesting Discussions have been based on such Methods-Ideas as pointed-out in the Topic (Page 1)..........

FOR IF...FOR IF........some "Classical-Mechanics´s defined "Force" ELSE than THE GRAVITY might be applied and the Video-Sequence´s Moving Drawing be slightly modified , THEN there could be an OU-Acting.........!!

THANKS about this Ideas-Method as mentioned in the Topic (Page 1) about such suggested OU-Methods....also i.e. the "Caterpillar-belt" in liquids/air........also i.e. various suggested OU-Ideas-Methods of i.e. altering of Weight-to-Volume-Objects in Air/Liquids/Frozen<->Liquids<->Steams-Conditions-dynamically-acting-in-a-Gravity-Field,etc......
FOR ALTERNATIVE PHYSICS ARE NOT FOUNDED ON "too-established-Dogmes", though are
Forums of Creative Discussions of Novel Ideas and Theses , etc !

WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day ; thanks about Your All Participations in The Honourable Course of OU !