Knitel's InfinityPump

[hartiberlin]

hi stefan,

your comment

"This way you will have enough "sucking power" to suck
up all the water through V1 through the small pipe ( also helped via the external 1 bar air pressure
of the environment and push-press down the water beneath it."

is not all true.  the air pressure you refer to is on both sides of the water via "swimmer" (in your words).  if it were not, your swimmer would be in water and swim.

tom

Tom,
the 100 Kg or 1000 Kg ( or whatever weight it needs) swimmer is only swimming, when both upper and lower valves are closed and V3 valve is opened.
Then there is no external air pressure happening inside the water cylinder.

If you open up the whole lower cylinder case bottom, sure all the water will just splah out,
so just imagine V2 being much bigger in diameter.
Then the whole weight has no force up anymore ( No more swimming) and pulls down
with all its weights (100 Kg or 1000 Kg ( or whatever weight it needs))
the upper water above it.

I still see no real calculations from the skeptics to show that it does not work...

[hartiberlin]

How is this device fundamentally different from the Sinclair Siphon, and what is wrong with the analysis given here? Please be specific, and I don't mind if you have a toddler do it. JUST DO IT.
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm#sinclair
Give some experimental data that supports the contention. Point out exactly where the flaws are in Simanek's analysis of self-driving pumps like this one, and buoyancy devices in general.
And we won't even mention that fundamental physical laws, which have NEVER been shown to be wrong, prohibit the functioning of these devices. Will we. Because that toddler probably hasn't thought that far ahead, yet.

This is quite different, as this is only a siphon with different heights and the Sinclair Siphon can not work.

But it is a totally different principle than the Knitel pump.

So please all skeptics let us know your calculations why the Knitel pump can not work
and please don´t try to explain it with other devices...

[hartiberlin]

Not in something as fundamental as this in science. For over 2000 years the best engineers and scientists have researched hydraulics. There is no chance they would have overlooked something as simple as this.

Hans von Lieven

Hans, I am  still missing your calculation, why you think it will not work ?

Maybe we should now put some numers to it and calculate it on an expample ?

So with what size should we start ?

Just lets have some numbers please...

P.S: Before I will put any money into this, I really want to see some calculations pleeeeeeease.

[hansvonlieven]

OK Stefan,

I will try to do just that. Give me a day or so, because I will have to teach the fundamentals of fluid mechanics to a group of people who evidently don't understand the first thing about it. I will start with the hydrostatic paradox and then lead into the specific case here and prove why it cannot work.

I'll start finishing the drawings now.

Hans von Lieven

[hartiberlin]

Okay, I just looked it up again,
had to refresh my memory:

With 1 bar normal air pressure you can lift water 10 Meters up.
So in our case when the 100 Kg swimmer weight is at the top of the cylinder,
the right pipe can be maximum 10 Meters above the lower bassin water level.m
So we have 10 Meters to play with the height parameters.