Knitel's InfinityPump

[Paul-R]

TinselKoala and Hans are banned from my topic...

Why have their posts been turning up? maybe you should repeat the banning process and save Stefan
a little data. The Lord knows we have a data problem on this web site.
Paul.

[hartiberlin]

Hi Igor,
the problem I see with the pressurized air is,
that the air will also come to the lower side of
the weight in the main cylinder and then you again have no
advantage, cause the pressurized air will also push against the weight
to not go down but to push it up in the cylinder...

So this does not help there..

Did you look in my proposal to use the hydrostatic paradoxon
and use the bigger tube at the lower watersurface for the pipe ?

Regards, Stefan.

[wizkycho]

hi wiz,

i'll take a shot.

what ever effect the air pressure has on the system will will stay until you change something.  say if the air pressure forces the supply water up, it will stay there until you remove (or redirect it) the air pressure.

still early for me, so short reply for now.

tom

if V2 (bottom valve is closed) swimmer in start position
I now put air pressure of 490g/per cm2 in system 
I think now in pipe is pressure 10g/cm2 (height of pipe 5m and 1cm2) not anymore 500g/cm2

since swimmer has 100 bigger surface the min. weight of swimmer should be now only 1kg (10g/cm2*100cm2)
not 50kg as without air pressure.

so let swimmer to be 3Kg

now if V2 is opened will the pressure of air below swimmer (transfered with bubbles through water) immidiately create counter swimmer moving
force of 49000g/100cm2 ? this is counter 49Kg of pressure (so floater instead to go down goes up) and make it unworkable
or will fast water leak out take the main pressure...of air entering

somehow I'm hoping that water (under the swimmer) that goes down from container will take most of the outer air pressure "strenght" and not bump straight
with 49kg anti pump force. and cancel my 3 kilos.
somehow it is hard to imagine that preassure will immidiately be at a bottom of swimmer

in another words that air transfered as bubbles through water can not immidiately create counter preassure on swimmer and stop it
First some ammount of water must fall down and some ammount pumped up with swimmers height. Ithink

if that pressure does bump right in shouldn't that pressure make pumping in undesired direction

can it happen that way

I know its an delicate situation and question and I might sound illogicall but at least I made negative pressure lot smaller, at least at first.
still learning how to surpass this multiplication of preassure. maybe its impossible ...this way.


Wiz

[twosox]

Minus valves and backchecks but drawing it out helped me get my head round this one.
(need a ciggie and a broo now) :-)

[tbird]

hi wiz,

if you pressurize the supply tank, it will raise the water by itself.  you will need no weight in the cylinder.

with the cylinder full of water, still with a portion of your 49kg/cm2 (pressure will go down with increase of volume being pressurized), your 500g will fall thru v2, since the pressure is the same everywhere now.

at this point you are almost back to the start of the cycle.  all you have to do is pressurize the supply tank, without an external source, to original pressure and remove the pressure in the cylinder.

tom