The author of confusion: North/South Poles and Polarity

[gravityblock]

Would you care to illustrate your point using the HF molecule, which has a strong electric dipole moment?

Ernie Rogers

I'm not sure an illustration is necessary since the the dipole moment is simply a measure of how strong the charges involved are and how separated they are. Since you're referring to a molecule and not just a particle such as an electron, we must take into account the bond dipole moment.

The HF molecule is polar by virtue of polar covalent bonds - in the covalent bond electrons are displaced towards the more electronegative fluorine atom.

The Bond Dipole is two atoms in a bond, such that the electronegativity of one atom causes electrons to be drawn towards the other, in turn causing a partial negative charge. There is therefore a difference in polarity across the bond, which causes a dipole moment.

Forget about polarity. Forget about north and south poles. Forget about negative and positive. The things I asked you to forget, they should only be used as a reference point (Relativity BS that causes confusion). The bottom line is electrons always have a negative charge. The path the electrons are taking inside magnets are in an infinite loop that are not in opposition to each other. Same thing with the HF molecule. Same thing in a coil.....until we have it rotate a magnet improperly.  Take a magnet and hit it several times with a hammer, this will cause the electrons inside the magnet to align themselves in a way that they are in opposition to each other, thus you lose your magnetic field. Now the magnet is no longer a magnet and can no longer convert energy.

There are two things we need to know. How to align more of the electrons to take the same path. We do this correctly. How to have the electrons in a circuit to rotate a magnet that doesn't create a counter emf. We don't do this right. I am saying it can be done because the electrons are doing it inside a magnet without losing its magnetic field unless an outside force causes it to re-align in opposition with each other.

When the electrons are in opposition to each other, their magnetic fields get canceled out. When they cancel each other, then you have no net force. Same thing when you have a coil where the wire is wrapped in opposite directions to each other, thus canceling each other out with no net force.

Does this answer your question without an illustration?

[CARN0T]

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The HF molecule is polar by virtue of polar covalent bonds - in the covalent bond electrons are displaced towards the more electronegative fluorine atom.

The Bond Dipole is two atoms in a bond, such that the electronegativity of one atom causes electrons to be drawn towards the other, in turn causing a partial negative charge. There is therefore a difference in polarity across the bond, which causes a dipole moment.

Is there an electric field within the bond?  Which way does it point?

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Take a magnet and hit it several times with a hammer, this will cause the electrons inside the magnet to align themselves in a way that they are in opposition to each other, thus you lose your magnetic field. Now the magnet is no longer a magnet and can no longer convert energy.
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When you hit it with a hammer and it loses its field, does it lose energy?

Ernie Rogers

[Creativity]

A brief side note on the term of overunity:

I have used this term in previous posts. I want to clear this up before someone throws the conservation of energy and other laws at me.

When I have used this term, I am referring to an unlimited amount of energy for output that is available to us in the system.

Let's say the system has 100 units of energy available for output. This means we can't use more than 100 units of energy continuously or at any given time.  This does mean we can use 100 units (minus heat losses, etc.) of energy continuously. The important thing to remember is the heat losses and other losses does not lower the amount of energy in the system. It only lowers the amount of energy that is available to the system.

When you have an overunity motor then the total amount of energy that is available to you at any given time is the total amount of energy available in the system. The total amount of energy in the system will always be available to the system for output but not more than that at any given time. This does not break the conservation of energy or any other known and well established laws.

How do we make more energy available to the system at any given time:

1) More turns of wire in the coil.
2) Make the core bigger with the right materials.
2) Bigger and stronger permanent magnets.
3) Using materials that have the highest magnetic permeability known, etc.

I think you get the idea.

what is unity and underunity then?

[gravityblock]

@ CARNOT:

Short answer to all those questions, is I don't really know. I will give you my best guesses.

I believe an electric dipole moment would point from the negative charge towards the positive charge (Fluorine pointing towards Hydrogen) with the electron being displaced towards the fluorine atom.

I believe there is an electric field within the bond. It may be a static electric field, but then that is in regards to a particular frame of reference, so in another frame of reference it may not be static (LOL - either the thing is changing or it is not....but in physics it can do both at the same time - LOL).

It doesn't lose energy after hitting it with a hammer. The energy is still there, just no net force. Remember energy and mass are interchangeable (E = MC2).

Excellent questions. Even if I don't know the answers, it gets me to think.

"They say the day you stop thinking is the day you die."

[gravityblock]

what is unity and underunity then?

Underunity is what we're doing now. You get less energy out of the system at any given time than what is available to the system at any given time (with or without a load). Need a continuous input of energy. Not able to get to the creator of it's infinity with or without a load. Does not break any known physic laws.

Unity is breaking even. You get the same energy out of the system as you put into the system at any given time without a load. You still have to provide a continuous input of energy when there is a load. Able to get to the creator of it's infinity without a load but is less than the creator of it's infinity with a load. Does not break any known physic laws.

Overunity is providing energy out that is equal to or less than the total amount of energy available to the system at any given time with or without a load and a continuous input of equal energy that came out of the system. Able to get to the creator of it's infinity with or without a load and becomes one with the creator of it's infinity but can't be greater than it's creator. Does not break any known physic laws.

Over-over unity is getting more out of the system than what is available to the system at any given time with or without a load. Able to get to the creator of it's infinity with or without a load and becomes greater than the creator of it's own infinity. Breaks many laws of physics.

I tried not to bring infinity into this, but it makes it easier to understand, at least for me.