Perpetual Motion Thought

[Alexioco]

Hello all, thought I would drop by to say hello and also post my latest thoughts 

I am pretty convinced now, that I know why perpetual wheels has failed up to now... (This is only my opinion)

Every single "perpetual" wheel that I have looked at all have the same common fault, which is...

"The wheel is required to turn in order for the weights to move, so they can keep the wheel rotating."

Well to me that seems like a contradiction, because it should be the weights that move the wheel, not the wheel that move the weights (which is not possible) which means, a "drum like wheel is only necessary to cover the secret of the design and doesnt really contribute to the movement" but rather the weights themselves are perpetual through their own movement, meaning before a balance can be found within the weights, they move resetting themselves everytime in order to sustain motion...

So what is the secret you ask? Well here is what I think...

The weights on the descending side of the wheel take an outward position and the weights on the ascending side of the wheel take an inward position right next to the axle, now, question is, how to get the weights to the positions...

When the wheel is set with the weights (8 weights in total) in their positions (like I said above) the wheel will turn, as the 4 outward weights fall, 1 weight is fliped up over a bar at the top of the wheel to take a position with the other outward weights
in order for the next weight to be flipped up and to join them and so on... how to get the weights up at the bottom to the axle is unknown to me yet, but I know this works for two reasons:

1: I made a rough design out of wood, attached the weights, let the wheel go and it started turning, flipping a weight up at the top, it would get faster then stop because I havnt figuerd out how to get them to rise at the bottom up to the axle. (It interesting to note that the weights flip at the top with some force, so if it was made and it worked, it would have to be kept under a steaded speed ot the wheel would just destroy itself)

2: This works using this principle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMxkziMDdjY

Here is a simple drawing:


Here's how it works

(Just to let you know, there would be another 4 weights on the other side of the wheel doing exaclty the same thing except they would be positoned in between the other weights making a total of 8 weights)

As the outward descending weights (on the right) push down on the wheel, the top inward weight slowly rises then suddenly the "slide" on the other end of the weighted arm comes into contact with the "roller" and the weight gets flipped up and over the "roller" which is attached to the axle and doesnt move, that weight then takes an outward position with the other weights leaning onto its "peg" and pushing down (through gravity) ready for the next weight to be flipped up and over meaning that at any one time 4 weights (two on one side of the wheel and another two on the other side) are pushing down while just one weight is being lifted up and over at the top, like I say, I dont know how to get weights at the bottom up to the axle though, but the answer must be simple...

Alex

[AB Hammer]

Greetings Alex

Welcome back to the forum, and you are correct about most designs. The reset is the problem. I looked at your drawing and I have also done flip designs and I have also found one that Archimedes did as well. Here is the string that I posted a flip design.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5226.0

Also here is the drawing of Archimedes. I found it awhile back and am not sure where I got it, but here it is.

I hope these will help.

[Alexioco]

Yes, I remember seeing your post before.
I think this idea is very very good... Because as 4 weights fall, just one if lifted at the top, so then that can do exactly the same thing, so I think that is the reset for the top part, with the modle that I made, it flipped them over quite hard as the wheel span, but like I say, I cant figure out how to lift them at the bottom, it will be in his drawings though... part of the answer is MT 13, thats the clue to flipping them at the top IMO...

Thanks for the pics, they alomost look like the design itself, very interesting, at first glance the "second" set of weights seem to have a ramp which guides the flipping weights into the centre.. il have a study of that and play around with it for a while...

Has his wheel been built? Its seems quite a good idea

Alex

[Yortuk Festrunk]

..."The wheel is required to turn in order for the weights to move, so they can keep the wheel rotating."

Well to me that seems like a contradiction, because it should be the weights that move the wheel, not the wheel that move the weights (which is not possible)...

This is a very good point. I think everyone is expecting a wheel to start turning with shifting weights and to keep turning in spite of, and without regard to, the impact of the weights landing on their resting spots.

I like this idea by gravitar: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6318.0

So far, it is the only design I've seen that actually works. I've made my own in wm2d and it works every time. And there are no shifting weights or arms or pivots or anything like that. Just a continuous pulse that feeds back on itself.

[Alexioco]

This is a very good point. I think everyone is expecting a wheel to start turning with shifting weights and to keep turning in spite of, and without regard to, the impact of the weights landing on their resting spots.

I like this idea by gravitar: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6318.0

So far, it is the only design I've seen that actually works. I've made my own in wm2d and it works every time. And there are no shifting weights or arms or pivots or anything like that. Just a continuous pulse that feeds back on itself.

That is an interesting idea, imo i think that a wheel with shifting weights will work but it should be the weights that move the wheel, the wheel should not have to move the weights at any point or time, and the power that comes from the wheel should be used to go back into the wheel, I have come up with my best wheel invention which i want to share with you all, and maybe you or anyone eles can through a ew ideas in, im going to put it on now...

Edit: here we go

http://i40.tinypic.com/2qc1s78.jpg

What each part is:

"A" is a weight attached on the bar/arm"C", which pivots at "F".  "D" is a curved bar used for sliding against something. "E" is a long arm which is one with "C".
"B" is the same as "D" and "G" & "H" are little wheels which are stationary as the wheel turns.

How it works:

As weight "A" and the top weight push down on the wheel, the lefhand weight is raised to the top of the wheel via the wheel "H", as weight "A" gets to the bottom of the wheel, its forced up to the axle via the small wheel G and the weight of the other two descendings weights pushing down, this action just keep repeating.

Now just imagine adding another lot of those weights to the other side of the wheel too, you would have at any one time 2 weights being lifted whiekl 4 weight fall...