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Overunity Machines Forum



First electrical power output from a Pyramid

Started by hartiberlin, January 18, 2006, 05:32:45 PM

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Walter Hofmann

hi spacetrax,
you are probably right that the magnet does not count for mutch, thats why I only did this as a favor and for fun.
in regards to the grounding TT says in one of the first posts that he only grounded the pyramid for security reason and in the video the pyramide is not grounded ether. I will seee what the big capacitor has to do.
greetings
walt


Quote from: spacetrax on December 29, 2007, 01:47:29 AM
Hi,
I still don?t believe that the magnet plays an important role in this setup. OK, the voltage rises, but this doesn?t mean that it will produce some amperage...
Walt, you should put a load on the output, and also connect the long 2-plate-capacitor before you can get some decent output, I guess...unless the long capacitor was also a kind of a trick, meant to hide the real principle.
The fact that the voltage sharply decreases when the pyramid is earthed is quite mind-boggling. Normally the earth should provide the pyramid with some free electrons, but in this case it seems to act like a deep throat  >:(, swallowing all the energy the pyramid produces...
It?s a pitty that TT does not say anything anymore. Actually I believe now that he never wanted to disclose the principle.
BUT we can reinvent the wheel  ;) 

Cheers,
Spacetrax

georgemay

Quote from: Walter Hofmann on December 29, 2007, 04:05:10 PM
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.
greetings
walt


Walter, I believe only overlapping area counts, not the whole area
see http://deepfriedneon.com/tesla_f_calccap.html

Walter Hofmann

Hi guys,
with all the partially confusing post what TT said or posted I was going over the first couple post of him and there ar a few major comments:
1. as allreadfy posted he said the grounding of the pyramide was just a security measurement
2. he said that  "he dont know why version V 5 doesnt work even if version four ( see video) works perfect now who says version V6 or version V 12 did or will work?
3. I examine the high res picture from the video about the converter and there are major difference like a few have allready figure out:
the two rods inside the vertical pipes are direcktly connected over 1 turn on the top , then it goes down as insulated wire between the plates and it doesnt seam to be connected to the plates ( no soldering to see)this end is direct connected to the small coil and this one is directly connected to the big coil and then to the connector copper strip on to the big plates cap. the left side is a bit fuzzy but if I see it right then a wire from the middle cap goes to the connector to the big plate cap too.
what means to me: the rods are coupled over a 1 turn coil , the two coils are in serie  and what is sure is that one connection of the cap goes directly to the output cap ev. but not sure the midle caps is like paralell with the coils.
I will try this original setup first the copper pipe frame is much bigger, the two coil are 5 turn and 20 turns the middle capacitor has a size of 45 X 75mm and only three plates.
if anythings works at all then this one has to.
greetings
walt

skywatcher

Quote from: Walter Hofmann on December 29, 2007, 04:05:10 PM
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.

You mean because of the additional area of the L-shaped plates ?

The additional area doesn't count because on every side in this area only plates of the same polarity are present.
Additionally, the additional area is very small compared to the main area of the plates.

The spacing between the plates is 1 mm, as specified. The main area of the plates is 35 mm x 70 mm, as specified.
Only the thickness of the plates is 0.5 mm, but this doesn't have any effect regarding capacity.

Generally, i don't think that the actual values of any measurement is really important for the function. If this would be the case, the chance for TT to find this values by chance only by experimenting would be virtually zero. If it works, it also works with different measurements and proportions, maybe with slightly reduced output, but it would work. Even TT confirmed this in the discussion how to measure the height of the pyramid frame.

duff

Quote from: duff on December 29, 2007, 10:25:03 AM

Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."

It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.

I need to be clear about somethings though I know it is going to ruffle some feathers.

In most cases YOU CAN NOT CHANGE ANYTHING  IN AN REPLICATION ATTEMPT!

MOST OF YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!!!

Though something looks like a capacitor it doesn't mean that that's how it functioning in this device. It's size and shape in its environment counts.

You can't take T-Fittings and change the way they are oriented in a device and expect to have the same device.

You can't change wire sizes, etc.... and the list goes on....

NOTHING SHOULD BE CHANGED IN A REPLICATION

Thomas gave us a white paper on the V6. This is much more precise information than existed when  this thread was started. Why is it that you CANNOT simply follow a design specification that has been given to you?

There may appear to be gray areas in that paper but if you follow the instruction in the ORDER that  he laid it out, in most cases, you arrive at only one logical conclusion as to what he meant.



Now, the above has nothing to do with the QUOTE.

You guys can go ahead as if nothing has happened but you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN.

This is basically Thomas's statement not mine. You can not ignore this and expect to come up with a working device.

I think I know when it occurred and what it was but I'm not going to state it here. Why?

Because if I were wrong then I'd be leading you down a wrong path.

Go back and read prior to DEC 14.

I believe it is a major misinterpretation of construction of the device and what he stated in the V6 plan.

As I stated in a post a while back - Don't ask someone else in the forum how to construct this device. You need to read, understand and follow Thomas's instructions. Then test your device and share your constructions details so we can all learn and move forward with this.


I believe 100% that Thomas gave us enough information to replicate this and if your device does not work then YOU MUST HAVE CHANGED SOMETHING.