Stanley Meyer Explained

[rogerthat]

Hey H2Opower,

I don't disagree that the basic methods used by Meyer and Boyce were very different, Boyce using an electrolyte and harmonics, and who accidentally discovered the anomaly when a rectifier in his alternator shorted, but I think there are some subtle similarities in how water interacts with the electrical energies being applied, and the sequence of events which allow stresses to be leveraged, culminating in water breaking down much more efficiently.

I have applied a differential voltage (40v) to two electrodes spaced 3mm apart, and verified current was flowing between those electrodes, then applied a signal to those same two electrodes in combination with the applied differential voltage, and found that the current had stopped flowing between the electrodes.  The applied signal was approx. 20kv at approx. 10khz, which was the electrical resonance of the complete circuit itself.  Reduce the amount of water in the cell and the resonant frequency goes up, add water to the cell and the resonant frequency goes down.  Reduce the inductance, and the voltage goes down, while the frequency goes up.  Upon shutting off the signal, the current began flowing between the two electrodes again.

I don't believe this method of breaking down water into useable fuel was the most efficient Meyer devised.  His later patents discussed ionizing air, then mixing that ionized air with atomized water (steam would serve) where the ionized nitrogen would rob the valence electrons from the hydrogen and oxygen making up the water molecule, and the nitrogen would then combine with the hydrogen and oxygen, forming both nitrous-oxide and ammonia, in a readily combustible mixture.

[magpwr]

Hi everyone,

Lets cut the chase.This guy Ravi have successfully replicated close to Meyers HHO generator and consume only 6watt(12v x 0.5A) of power.
Please take note he was not selling anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw

Go to the youtube description beneath the video and download the pdf which contain the detailed steps from conditioning HHO 316L stainless steel and etc.

"Please download and replicate quickly."

[rogerthat]

I remember when the Ravi story originally came out, and everyone was hoping to find the reason why their attempts at replicating Meyer's technology had failed.  Everyone poured over the pictures, circuitry, and what little documentation was forthcoming, but to no avail.  Ravi appeared to have stumbled upon success with no rational explanation.  I'm convinced that even Ravi couldn't duplicate his own success since he couldn't adequately explain what he did that was different.

If one goes back and looks at all the material Meyer produced concerning his successful models, you'll find early models where he was using 3 electrodes.   In my research, I believe I have found the reason he used 3 electrodes.  I have discovered that water molecules bind together to form conduction paths, and as long as current continues to flow through these conduction paths, the molecules stay aggressively locked within these paths, and will resist making new paths.  Thus Meyer's statements concerning the insulative qualities of water.  No one could understand why Meyer would make such statements, since everyone knows water conducts electricity.  I believe this is the key to Meyer's success which everyone has overlooked.

As one continues down this path of reasoning, a sequence of events have to take place to break down water.
1) Apply a 1st electric potential that will lock the water molecules into a configuration that makes them vulnerable to perpendicular forces.
2) Apply a 2nd electric potential perpendicular to the configuration of the conduction paths formed in step 1.
3) Once a number of molecules have broken, and free molecules re-align with the 2nd electric potential, shut down the 2nd electric potential.
4) repeat step 1.

Each of Meyer's models which involves electrodes submerged in water use this method or sequence of events.
Thus the need for pulsing electricity to the electrodes.
It's similar to the domino effect.
If one wants to demonstrate the domino effect, steps have to be taken.
Set the dominos up in a predetermined configuration.
Apply a force in a direction that is calculated to take advantage of a known weakness and the dominos fall.

[TheCell]

Frequency 22,3 GHz :
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/propulsion/gas-water-waterfuel-hho-technology-11695-9.html#post326748
Puharich  mentions this frequency at 35:46 - 37:03 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEBGI198CmQ

[rogerthat]

Thanks for the links Cell!

Interesting characters on that boat forum.

You won't get an argument out of me concerning what effects a 22,3 GHz electromagnetic signal might have on water.  I have little useable knowledge for working with those frequencies, other than the methods are more technical and less forgiving.  A lot of precision goes into circuitry capable of operating at those frequencies since stray capacitance has a big impact on operation, let alone performance.  And, one certainly doesn't want to carry any antique flash bulbs in one's pockets when working around that type of equipment.

Meyer's methods operate at lower frequencies, and so, don't need RF shielding.

Meyer appears to have found a more forgiving way of applying leverage at the molecular level.  It doesn't require high precision or power.  Meyer's methods appear to be based on leverage against an entrained target, and regauging after that target has been dismantled.