Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

Then lower the capacitance of each cell and reduce the number of cells and you should be in the ballpark.

I mean no disrespect but I got this, okay? It's been two years since I last posted here and in that time I got at the core science behind this technology and a lot more. The main thing that has changed in my view of things is I know it must be brought out by way of mass production now. I simply refuse to go along with people that want the world to build "One-offs" as that leaves too many in this world without this technology. Through True Green Solutions http://www.truegreensolutions.net/ I will attempt to do things the right way so that the technology can be affordable for the masses. It's going to take time as I have an uphill battle in trying to build the company from the ground up. Most in the Open Source community tend to be against my actions in trying to do this but I have too as these are the rules of the market and I already know there simply is no getting around them. That is something the Open Source community still has yet to learn.

[Dog-One]

I guess you know what you are doing Ed.  Hope you're right. 

If it were me, I'd assemble about 20 fully operational prototypes and give them away for peer review.  Those reviews will be the cheapest marketing you are going to find.  With thumbs up from all reviewers, only then would I consider mass production.

There are two rules you must follow if you continue on your current path:

#1  If you do not take care of the customer, somebody else will.
#2  The customer is always right.

Translation --  Nobody cares what you think you have.  You have to prove yourself to them.  They will happily beat you to a pulp if your product does not live up to their expectations.  One whiner will end any and all funding you otherwise might have received.  That's the cruel reality of "the markets" you speak about.  Bring your A-game or stay home.



BTW, these guys have far more complex technology; they're OpenSource too.  Buy theirs or build it yourself, either way everyone wins.

[h20power]

I guess you know what you are doing Ed.  Hope you're right. 

If it were me, I'd assemble about 20 fully operational prototypes and give them away for peer review.  Those reviews will be the cheapest marketing you are going to find.  With thumbs up from all reviewers, only then would I consider mass production.

There are two rules you must follow if you continue on your current path:

#1  If you do not take care of the customer, somebody else will.
#2  The customer is always right.

Translation --  Nobody cares what you think you have.  You have to prove yourself to them.  They will happily beat you to a pulp if your product does not live up to their expectations.  One whiner will end any and all funding you otherwise might have received.  That's the cruel reality of "the markets" you speak about.  Bring your A-game or stay home.



BTW, these guys have far more complex technology; they're OpenSource too.  Buy theirs or build it yourself, either way everyone wins.

Thanks for understanding. For the most part I will follow Elon Musk lead and build the company up and then start Open Sourcing things if I see no one is able to follow me. Right now it sure looks like no one is able to follow me as I generally stand alone in my pursuit of high voltage being applied to the exciter array with a modified AC waveform. Like I told the other gentleman, I don't know of any one else getting voltages this high to their cells other than myself. One thing I will not do is agree to have the general public start building "One-offs," as that is the most expensive way to go about building anything and would thus leave most of the worlds population to not have this technology.


You have to think about the target of the things that are Open Sourced as when Elon Musk did it just who was the target for making use of what he Open Sourced as it sure wasn't you or I? If we were the targets then we would be able to build us one and park our gasoline driven cars but we weren't the targets for we simply don't have enough money to build something like that as a "One-off." That targeted people would be those whom own companies that are already set up for mass production, you see they are the targets for Elon's Open Source. This technology is no different in that the cost to build things the correct way would be far too high for most people to be able to afford if they had to build it as a "One-off." The only way around this is to get a lot of other people to buy it at the same time from the same company that will be making it. But I have seen first hand on many occasions how when money gets involved no one is willing to work together as one in these Open Source communities for it requires all to trust one person with their money to do the right thing. I have tried several times to get these communities members to work as one so that all could have this technology at a good price and not once did it ever work. I had to go outside of the Open Source communities to accomplish this mission. This is how there are several Gas Processors and Exciter Arrays in the hands of a few people that did work together with me. We came together to act as one which gave us the power to drive the cost down for each of us as we each understood the rules of the markets.


Hopefully in the future the Open Source community will learn these market rules and act accordingly. I have a company and if it has the support of the people it will be successful at getting this technology out to those that need it most. In any case if people in these Open Source communities come together pool their monies and ask me to build in bulk for them they will get the best prices I can give them as I am willing to work with them.

[Dog-One]

Ed,

Have you considered teaming up with an already established company such as one of these:

http://www.hhokitsdirect.com/

http://www.greenfuelh2o.com/

I've bought from both of them in the past and they have good prices and quality products.  Adding your stuff to their line-up couldn't hurt.  Might be a good way to get your foot in the door without having to do all the dirty work yourself.

[h20power]

Not really as my market is different than theirs and then there's the question of control of the product. You see right now those companies, and any others like them, are competitors to True Green Solutions but as I stated our market is different. This technology requires none of the toxic products (electrolyte) their products are introducing to our environment for this technology only adds water with no toxic salts, acids, or bases to the system. Not one of them has done an impact study on those devices they sell that are adding those pollutants to our environment yet. They tell people to drain their cell before they go to use one of their cleaners but drain it where? on the ground? Then once it is cleaned again they tell you to drain it out with tap water and then put the toxic chemicals back in the device. I am not sure what you call this but I call it being irresponsible as they are polluting the environment they state they are trying to clear up from the oil company's pollution. Two wrongs don't make a right as they both are polluting our world in different ways.


Now to put this in perspective for you. Lets say that for the state of California that 50% of all the cars on the road use their products. This would be around 19 million cars dumping those toxins into our water supply. You want to talk about a mess as we are only talking about one state doing this. So as far as I am concerned they have to be put out of business too for the increased demand for the creation of these toxic chemicals will also aid towards polluting our world.


In general I find that most people do think like this as all they care about is the savings they might get from the promise of needing to use less gasoline while others do actually care about trying to clean our air but fail to take into account the impact on our environment when we go about using these toxic chemicals in mass. Thus I fully expect these companies to side with the oil companies for it will be in their best interest to do so, but who knows they might just surprise me.