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Stanley Meyer Explained

Started by h20power, March 15, 2009, 06:34:59 PM

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Quote from: sm0ky2 on October 25, 2022, 06:27:28 PM
Hi Edward,


I don't think many "scientists" would argue against ionic separation of the water molecule bond.


There is also chemical water splitting, and this can even be done by superheating the water/steam.


Thank you for the clarification, i.e. this is hv pulsed (half-wave) ionization.


And yes the less contamination in the water the less ionic losses, thus only water molecules will ionize inside the chamber. if salt were added to the tank, it may be more likely to produce chlorine gas and sodium hydroxide, than hho.


Hi sm0ky2,


Oh, don't be surprised in that many scientist are fighting me on this new theory I came up with. You see this new theory answers many things that have been unknows for centuries to us and they don't want this type of credit being given to someone like me for some reason. "All molecules can be separated into their component atoms by taking away the electrons from the atoms that make up the molecules." This theory seems simply on the surface but when put into use it answers many things that have been slapped with unknowns on them. You see any way that we know of in getting the electrons away from their atoms will work on breaking the bonds of the molecules. But it chemical reactions, radiation bombardment, or high voltage electric fields, plus a whole lot more. It is the pattern that I noticed that everyone else missed. 
You see when I took another look at "Photosynthesis," I saw that all the plant did was to reach in and take away the electrons from the atoms to get the water molecules to fall apart. When my studies switched over to studying how thunderstorms work I found the same thing happening as far as the end steps are concerned. As the voltage potentials rise in a storm cloud it reaches the ionization threshold for atoms and at that point any molecule that gets swept up into the storm will get broken down. Though much observation I learned that thunder and lightening are not the same thing as one typically causes the other. You see when the water molecules get broken down by way of ionization you get hydrogen and oxygen gas atoms plus their creation of and electric charge. As the water is being broken down their electrons remain with the water molecules that didn't get broken down and at some point a run away reaction starts to take place where the cloud starts to discharge this electrical charge. Thunder is the result of a hydrogen and oxygen explosion taking place in the clouds, lighting is a result of the water molecules being broken down into hydrogen and oxygen in this manor. The water molecules themselves play an important role in this due to it's autoionization properties.
It was at this point I started asking questions about what other ways do we know of to get the electrons away from their atoms? Then with that question being answered the search began on finding these things taking place in nature or just in the world around us. With those nuclear reactors in Japan the high radiation levels started knocking off the electrons from the atoms of the water molecules and thus there creation of hydrogen, oxygen, and a electric charge. Once this charge had enough energy to overcome the air resistance to current flow a spark was created in the presence of hydrogen and oxygen and I think the whole world knows what happened next. I read a paper that tried to explain those building blowing up due to pressures of 7.7 bar being reached in those buildings but I already know that isn't very likely as each building had air-conditioning which would make it very unlikely to be able to pressurize the air to more than 111 psi inside of the building. They attributed the hydrogen being created to the heat of the reactor meltdown, which is partially true but they make no mention of the creation of an electric charge as they simply do not know that is happening right now.
So, which seems more likely, what I just said about how those buildings blowing their tops or what they said about what caused those buildings to blow their tops?
But my search didn't end there as I went on to look into problems that were taking place with those atom colliders in that they were having some blow outs due to the creation of hydrogen and oxygen from the dielectric they chose to use, IE, water. The intense magnetic fields were enough in some areas to rip the electrons away from their atoms and that act caused the dielectric water to be broken down into hydrogen, oxygen, and the creation of an electric charge. The exact same thing would take place. Someplace the water would start getting broken down into it's component atoms and over time the electric charge that built up as a result would gain enough energy to overcome the gases electric resistance to current flow and a spark would be created blowing out that part of the system. Now for them this was a problem that had to be designed out of the technology and they paid no attention to the fact that they just broke the bonds of the water molecules with intense magnetic fields.


This all brings me back to my point of the new theory I came up with. Any method that will get the electrons away from their atoms will work at breaking the bonds of the water molecules. You see I saw a pattern no one else saw due to my choosing to make use of the scientific method in trying to understand this technology. The simple fact of asking and answering questions lead me to understand of this relationship between atoms and their electrons in their abilities to form and disassociate molecules. This is how plants break the bonds of the water molecules without creating any heat in the process as plants use the Sun's rays to pump up the electrons to higher orbits so that the plant can catch those electrons and take it away from the atoms that make up the water molecules so that it can get the hydrogen it needs to be alive and grow. It does a similar thing to carbon dioxide in that it again found away to get at the electrons so that it could get the carbon it needs to make the many things it needs to live and grow. Interesting, huh?


As far as this technology goes I think everyone needs to understand just what a dielectric actually is. For the dielectric being used in the capacitors is water and if you put in something that will make the water conductive you just destroyed the dielectric properties of the water being use as the dielectric material. This is why the more pure the water is the better it works for this technology as water is being used as the dielectric material in the water capacitors this technology makes use of. Here are some definitions: [size=78%]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric[/size]


Well, that's it for now. But as you can see I went through a lot of learning getting far more than I asked for when I went to try and understand this technology on a scientific level.
Take care,
Edward Mitchell
Owner
True Green Solutions
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sm0ky2

Two problems:


1) full ionization is a well known aspect of physics. Not a new concept.
Definately predates your existence.


2) a "scientist" would be well educated in this area.
It is trivial to split water by ionization
However this generally uses significantly more energy (electrical, chemical, or nuclear) than electrolysis.


The physical mixture (in most cases) exists as a gas of ions and electrons (full ionization is when all of the electrons are freed from the molecule), which quickly recombine into water once the ionizing radiation or exciting field is removed.
In the case of chemical ionization, by consuming the electrons in a chemical reaction, once the reaction is complete the water molecules recombine by accepting electrons from the environment.
If the ionized gases are allowed to escape, this happens freely in air to form water vapor.


The main reason for this is because the ionic bond is not broken by ionization alone. There is still the strong-force ionic bond, which is not affected by the field.
Therefore a catalyst is generally used to strip one or the other of the atoms from the molecules.


There are some exceptions, and if gas (not water vapor) is collected from your device, yours may be one of these.
Without knowing the details of your set-up, i would suggest that the cathode, anode, or dielectric vessel could be serving this purpose.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

The reason two compatible ions form a molecule in the first place is dur to their nucleus' charge being different by an odd multiple of the electron charge. This difference in charge is exactly the same as the bonds formed by odd + even electron shells, though much weaker. The catalyst is not consumed in the process because no bond is formed. For this reason we choose catalysts with a much greater charge (+ or -) than the half of the ion we are stripping away.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

If you are using, for instance, aluminum electrodes:
(using the pauling scale or equivalent)
We would expect the hydrogen atom to be attracted to the anode.
Releasing the oxygen from solution (almost in place)
And the hydrogen to rise from the electrode.




Lead would have a propensity to attract the oxygen instead
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

Your next step is to measure the quantity of gas produced per Watt of electricity over the time it takes to produce said amount of gas.


From this you can know your input energy
and the BTU equivalent of gas produced.
Then simply divide the second number by two
(because of the Carnot cycle)
And compare it to the first.

I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.