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Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

Started by X00013, March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM

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TinselKoala

Quote from: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Yes he is an emotional guy, god bless him. And that's why he owes it to himself to calm his stormy waters by allowing 3rd party validation. It's so simple, he'll sleep so much more soundly when his emotions are settled. Please Mylow, fedex a runner to stefan. I'll pay for first class fedex insured speical delivery there and back, just put a runner in a good big corrugated box with plenty of bubblewrap round everything. Please for the sake of Howard Johnson and mother earth, please do it.
If I was Mylow at this point, I'd video a runner, video me boxing it up for shipping. Then when Stefan gets it and it doesn't run, well, it's not Mylow's fault, he showed you that it worked before shipping it. It must have gotten dislodged in transit--a hundredth of a millimeter, remember, is enough to make the difference. Send it back, Mylow will see what's wrong. Oh, yeh, there it is, see, now it works.

slipstream

@pirate
Thanks mate, I haven't seen sterling's plans but imho open source should also be free source or at least a voluntary donation system, since he didn't go that route I will.

@wattsup
Duly noted, I'll make the addition when I get home from work and release the revised copy.

Mr. M

Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 01:58:05 PM
No, all right, I'll do it. Maybe. It's raining right now or I'd be outside, you might have to wait. Or will it be acceptable if I show it indoors? I don't have a glass table but I have a floor...I think.

I saw your previous 'replication' video.

You know when he shows his rig with nothing inside the bottom of that bearing assembly and he says he can't fit a motor in there..?

I want to see that rig looking exactly like his, I want you to show me it's got nothing inside it just like he does and then you can do whatever the hell you want to it and get it running providing it looks and behaves in exactly the same way and it can be shown like this from all angles including underneath as he has shown in his glass table video.

You don't have to have a glass table just prove that there's nothing underneath which expands downwards or outwards as he did with his glass table video and you don't have to glue the magnets down for me either because if it's fake they aren't doing the work.

I'll only ever believe this is real when someone with credibility replicates it or confirms it's working but if someone can shown me the exact same thing (surface rotor magnets omitted and stator omitted if need be) it's enough to make me believe it's a fake.

Bobbotov

Quote from: Mr. M on May 16, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
No, I'm not...

I've claimed I'm on the fence and I've claimed you and the other sceptics are doing a hell of a lot of pointless gum flapping and I can prove that you're all doing a lot of pointless gum flapping and you've not produced a string of videos because your gum flapping is in this thread and the videos don't exist.  I can also prove I'm on the fence because I'm sat here... Waiting.

If you want people to believe it's fake, and I can see no other reason that you and the other sceptics would be so intent on slagging this guy off, then prove it's a fake by faking it and reproducing the string of videos Mylow has created. I'm not paying for you to do that just like I didn't pay Mylow... Not my problem.


It's like a kid standing in front of a magician telling all the other kids the trick is a fake and the magician is sat there safe in the knowledge that even though the kid is right he's never going to be able to prove it to the other kids because he can't do the trick so he's always going to be able to say it's magic and have the majority of them think it's magic... Don't read more in to this than I intend, I'm not saying we're all kids and he's whatever, it's just an analogy to try and get my point across and I know it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.


Bobbotov, I completely agree with you in that it proves it can be faked, not that it is a fake but I'm saying that for me (and possibly a lot of other people on the fence) that it would be enough to tip me over.

Just like a kid watching a magician if another kid showed me the exact same trick I'm not going to believe it's magic and the magician would be just another bloke in a funny hat.

Conversely, not being able to duplicate a fake does not make the fake less so. That is the whole point of avoiding these kinds of pissing contests and get verification, corroboration and replication. Science must be repeatable or it is useless for any meaningful deployment.  Seriously, do a little reading on Karl Popper and find all about falsifiability and what it means and how it works in regards to scientific hypotheses and discoveries.

Essentially, all Free Energy proponents are attempting to falsify Conservation of Energy. It has never been done at the same rigorous level that created CoE  as a law of physics in the first place. And laws can be broken, amended, modified as we learn more about the universe and how it works. But not with YouTubes and guys running around building fakes of something which may be a fake in the first place. That is a complete waste of time and totally irrelevant in regards to science.

Yucca

Quote from: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 02:10:37 PM

If I was Mylow at this point, I'd video a runner, video me boxing it up for shipping. Then when Stirling gets it and it doesn't run, well, it's not Mylow's fault, he showed you that it worked before shipping it. It must have gotten dislodged in transit--a hundredth of a millimeter, remember, is enough to make the difference. Send it back, Mylow will see what's wrong. Oh, yeh, there it is, see, now it works.

Yep there is always that excuse.

Well then, he should take it upon himself to travel with the motor and demo it, but woops he's so "emotional" the foreign surrounding might spook his special magnet senses.

Then he must invite a 3rd party into his home.... Oh, just remembered, in his last video he stated he would not allow visitors. Jeez, looks like it'll just go down in history as another FE device suppressed by horrible sceptics.

Oh well, whatever, he has the chance to prove us all wrong, the fact he's not taking that chance tells me he has a weak hand.

One thing I will say is this, if you publicly cry over a mans grave, a man whos beliefs you profess to champion then you should really have the dignity and honour to prove that man as being true and rightous (at least that's what a klingon would say lol).