Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[WilbyInebriated]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. 

says who? is this a law? part of the constitution?
NO it is not. it is something some dogmatic fool came up with and the rest of the sycophants chant with zealous abandon...

edit just read omni's eloquent response, bravo omnibus.

[k4zep]

Hi Gang,

Its all water under the bridge.  For those still working on this, the basic problem is that no matter how many or how few magnets you line up opposite the stator, There is a overall slowing effect due to field interactions between the two elements plus normal mechanical losses.

Lets assume that when we place the rotor magnets into the Stator field we preload it with 10 "widgets" of energy. The rotor starts to turn.  It might be bumpy, it might be choppy, it might increase/decrease in speed during the event/s but the net results of energy gain are zero when the loop is closed and the wheel starts to move.  The losses from the field interactions between the rotor/stator clusters and the stator/s, friction, aerodynamic losses, etc. all take a little of the pre-loaded energy out of the wheel. After 1-10-100 revolutions, based on many variables, we will have a few less widgets of energy in the wheel and due to this, it will continue to slow till finally it will not enter the next cluster. (repulsion) This is because the pre-loaded energy level has dropped to the point where inertia of the wheel is overcome by this repulsion effect at the entrance point and the wheel stops.  It is as simple as that.

IF the magnetic motor is ever going to run, the rotor/stator assembly must be self starting (I think MYLOW realized this very early on and it bedeviled him to the end) with no starting energy put into the system at this point.  IT must suck the rotor in and kick the rotor out.  PERIOD.  To repeat, the rotor must suck into the stator field with ZERO energy (at ZERO RPM) in the wheel and then push out with more energy input to the wheel than total generated losses in the system.  Anything else is a flywheel with all its losses as noted above.

Water under the bridge....I'm done.


Ben

[jibbguy]

I am reminded of the old saw: "It's all over except the shouting" . But that's not correct either, since we still have  Replicators out there who are hopefully not letting current events and others' opinions stop them from furthering the cause of Science... As they really are doing here no matter what their results show in the end.

30 years is way too long to wait to get any answers regarding Howard Johnson's work!


So we are left with the following possibilities for the ending to this saga (imo):


I. "MYLOW Faked It".

  I. A. He really doesn't "exist" in the normal sense and was part of a clever, long term disinfo scam to discredit F-E,
         Open Source, and Sterling Allen in particular, who is a high-profile target (perpetrated by agents unknown).
         This episode can then be later used to discredit all claims in the future (correct or not), and most importantly,
         put a "chill" on the F-E & O.S. movement to slow future Open Source research altogether.

  I. B. He is a "real person" who did this independently to either gain attention for himself, or HJ magnet motors (lol
         although one must wonder how scamming could help such a cause very much).

  I. C. He is "real" and independent but was deluded with his results, and justified his scam by thinking he or a
         Replicator who was inspired by his videos would eventually get it to work (in this case, it is an argument for
         why these replication attempts should not be abandoned yet; because they may still bear fruit... Possibly in
         very unexpected ways).

  I. D. Another reason not listed yet.


II. "MYLOW did not fake it".

  II. A. Everything is as claimed; up until the time he declared it a fake (presumably because of the pressure he was
          under and mentally unprepared for, and decided to emulate what Mr. Al Witherspoon said Howard Johnson
          did in his recent interview with Sterling Allen on Peswiki radio (... Mr. Witherspoon stated HJ just allowed his
          claims to be debunked without reply on purpose, for some unstated specific reason).

  II. B. MYLOW was directly and illegally pressured by outside forces to stop research (...more than he stated even),
          and close down interest by "agents unknown"... Which he then did by making a deliberately less than
          satisfactory last video, and then finally making the "fake" You-Tube statement and private messages (thus
          making an error by revealing his I.P. Address). 

  II. C. The device and tests were "real" but his later claims of suppressions were not. When he realized he made a
          mistake and had compromised his integrity with the paranoid "MIB"-type comments, he stopped the project.

  II. D. Another yet unknown reason.


Things in life are not always "Black and White": My experience is they usually come in 256 shades of gray

[LightRider]

Your link should be on PESWIKI (there are others, which are incomplete: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Back-up_.2F_Mirrors )

This backup location has been added to PESWIKI page.
Thanks

[wings]

Perhaps Mylow lives on some Earth's magnetic or gravitational anomaly, hence his device and its replications would work only there and nowhere else (assuming it's not a hoax). Send your device to Mylow (by Sterling if directly not possible), and then you would know.

All we lives close to magnetic anomaly see

Curry-grid :

http://abeiez-tachyon.com/en/fs.htm?erd4.htm

Hartmann-grid:

http://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/14%20Unhealthy%20Earth%20Energies,%20The%20Hartmann%20Net%20and%20Curry%20Gri.html

with ortogonal magnet configuration my be there is an "Hamel" effect like this:

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf