Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[wattsup]

Sorry but this graphing has its extreme limits in precision. trying to understand the wheel simply by looking at those graphs will not do it because there are other factors at play here like when the stator leaves the rotor segment it enters a south saturated disk permeation that we know nothing about the effects.

When the stator meets a new segment there will be a field collision, mutual field compression then mutual pass-by that all requires time and energy.

Again while the stator is over the empty disk, @TK already showed there was an effect of drag, slow down, but that was without the rotors. It does not mean the disk field saturation is homogeneous and could be more concentrated in some areas of the wheel rotation.

I would prefer to look at the graphs and not say this is why it does not work, because the wheel does work, and, so this would only mean the graph is saying here, this IS why it does work. If you go in with a preconceived notion of what you expect, then you will not see what it really is. And therein is the problem. You want to understand something your way and not the way it is.

[jibbguy]

The idea that this particular speed analysis will answer anything is false; whether you are hoping it proves or disproves anything.... Without a KNOWN WORKING "all-magnet motor" as a baseline for comparison; what could it hope to ultimately achieve?

This is because if the motor is for "for-real"; then how could we possibly know for sure what the actual spin-up profile would look like without measuring it? The premise then would be that the device operates on a "new and revolutionary" motive principle, right? So you can't model that.. It has to be empirically tested and recorded first to CREATE a model. The data here from Mylow's vids has nothing to compare it to... If the profile is identical to a regular electric motor, what significance is that? So could an "real" all-magnet motor be... We can't know until we measure a "known working" one first.   

The earlier graph showing the curve of "time in seconds" vs "seconds per rotation" was what could be expected from any motor spinning up with a flywheel that exerts much more inertial "force/drag" than is dissipated by bearing or air drag (whatever the actual motive force would be... magnets, servo motor, compressed air stream, or the power of suggestion lol)... So it was not useful for proving or disproving fraud. I wish it was conclusive somehow, but we are never so lucky here lol  

These later graphs cannot be useful either unless there is a known control for us to compare it to. It can be an interesting exercise for some peeps who are new to this type of analysis (making it worthy in itself perhaps), but it cannot answer the "fraud /not-fraud" question by itself.

[RunningBare]

Good, someone with sense, so could you point us to a working PMM so that we have something to compare it to?

The idea that this particular speed analysis will answer anything is false; whether you are hoping it proves or disproves anything.... Without a KNOWN WORKING "all-magnet motor" as a baseline for comparison; what could it hope to ultimately achieve?

[nyctuber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdrhC1UdDyM

[Yucca]

Sorry but this graphing has its extreme limits in precision. trying to understand the wheel simply by looking at those graphs will not do it because there are other factors at play here like when the stator leaves the rotor segment it enters a south saturated disk permeation that we know nothing about the effects.

When the stator meets a new segment there will be a field collision, mutual field compression then mutual pass-by that all requires time and energy.

Again while the stator is over the empty disk, @TK already showed there was an effect of drag, slow down, but that was without the rotors. It does not mean the disk field saturation is homogeneous and could be more concentrated in some areas of the wheel rotation.

I would prefer to look at the graphs and not say this is why it does not work, because the wheel does work, and, so this would only mean the graph is saying here, this IS why it does work. If you go in with a preconceived notion of what you expect, then you will not see what it really is. And therein is the problem. You want to understand something your way and not the way it is.

If anyone is curious to extract the pure rotor and stator interaction curves then simply subtract the trending sin function from the entire red graph, you will be left with the force curve of just the stator rotor interaction. The gate function itself is a one wave SIN. I would imagine integration of said function would be slightly negative revealing a lossy gate, otherwise why the need to supply the disk with the constant drive torque which is clearly revealed in this analysis.

Please, could you give another explanation for the overall SIN function of the curve. Other than external drive on an unlevel unbalanced rig? I want to believe I truly do, just that the data I have seen does not allow me to. Please explain the flaw in my analysis, please!