Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[waynegage]

Sept 16, 08 from HONDA  http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7425785.PN.&OS=PN/7425785&RS=PN/7425785


Talk about conspiracy?

What are you on about? This is a standard motor that requires power input to operate.

[Doug1]

What are you on about? This is a standard motor that requires power input to operate.

   To what advantage or diss-advantage do you interpret the design of the mentioned patent design? How many oddities do you see compared to a normal servo motor with magnets only on the rotor or only on the stator?

I went back and found the interesting part for you.
"By using this method,the magnetic flux distribution in the permanent magnet end portion,which is a magnetic pole change over portion in which change in magnetic flux distribution is large, is made smooth and hence the coging force can be reduced (refer to japanese patent provisional publication No 2000-350339 as patent document 1 )
How ever for the above described permanent magnet motor, the optimal radius of the arcuate shape has conventionally been determined empirically or on a trial and error basis. Therefor a study must be conducted for each motor." 

Most permanent magnetic motors have the arch in a path equal to and outside the path of the rotor where this one has the path cross just behind the central shaft.If a number of arched stators were used it would be hand drawn like a flower to depict the pattern of circular paths. This patent would imply there is some merit to how the magnet fields are arranged by using magnets with shapes that do not work in the standard configuration to reduce coging effects. The fact that they used this on a normal electrically driven motor does not take away from the effects of the design or it's purpose. What you get out of it is on you.

personally i would to see publication No 2000-350339

[waynegage]

   To what advantage or diss-advantage do you interpret the design of the mentioned patent design? How many oddities do you see compared to a normal servo motor with magnets only on the rotor or only on the stator?

I have no interest in the design. It is not an all permanent magnet motor and they make no claims that counter physical laws.

[Doug1]

 I dont understand your quest to challenge physical laws.There is a good chance not all the laws are known or some may not be completely correct since a number of them have exceptions or special conditions. Im sure the complete laws in their truest form are not such that they can be violated. Any provable massive discovery will be cautiously released after the scientific community has little doubt in the facts so they dont pull a mylow. Applications of fundamental change in understanding will be well after any useful development of it's use.

[Doug1]

 Explain fig 8 in the patent. U,V,W are not mentioned anywhere in reference to figure 8. Figure 8 does not look like what is being described.
  Take shielding into account where one wraps a perm mag in tin or metal housing leaving only one open end. All these ends are not equally spaced to line up with the rotor magnets some are off set.The off set is also increasing incrementally so the relationship from stator piece to rotor piece is shifted a few more degrees compared to the next rotor magnet. Normally one would show a view of the windings on a couple pole pieces in a Pat draft and any special phase arangment. No winding are shown in this draft or any of it's images. Is that to enable fig 8 to slip through the cracks with out notice of absent windings. It would only appear to be odd if windings were present except for fig 8. No at all windings would make it easier to slip an image through.