Isolating electrodes

[wojwrobel]

ok
have any of you guys tried ??
well i did with 2 plates covered with regular clear varnish and results are diferend than regular electrolysis the voltage increses to very high ,the current is very low i  dont have forg just big bubbles but i just used regular varnish and its shorted after while thats why im trying with something better insulator like corona dope

i dont care what you say i gonna try it anyway and show the resuls

and you know what? the more people will accualy do something not just read and write nonsense
we will find out how hv electrolysis is working .....

do some testing and you will find out that you have the same results using 12V, 10A and by using 120V ,1A  try it ....so P (power)  P=U * J , W= V*A that is what meyer was trying to use and aperantly did

you will soon find out that using 1200V , 0,1 A will produce the same gas that 12V 10A or 120V 1A

im after elektro-chemistry school so i know what im saying

you can say im wrong i dont care i just wanted to share my results so maybe someboody will se some oportunity to use it in different way or configuration and may work for him .....

cheers   

[Room3327]

Woj,
  I agree with you. I found the exact same thing with my experiments, it appears to me that it is in the watts applied to the cell.  I have a couple ideas that don't appear to have been tried before.  I think that it is only necessary to insulate 1 of the electrodes, not both.  If we insulate the positive electrode and allow the negative to be in contact with the water, this will provide a source of electrons. The electrodes need to be isolated from each other for true capacitance effects but both do not need to be insulated. Also the test described above, used very small plates that were a considerable distance apart, this does not produce a very big capacitor, probably in the sub picofarad range. I think two long electrodes wound into a compact unit with about .050" seperation would give a much better test to determine if capacitance and HV work in a cell.
  We need all ideas here, as to date, there are no devices of any kind that deliver overunity or can be proven to.  There is no theory's by anyone that can be proven or confirmed. We do have a number of very intelligently thought out theory's here but they are still just theories. The fact is no one knows, so lets not throw out the baby with the bath water, one little thought of someone's may be the last piece of the puzzle.

[Farrah Day]

Woj, I think that you will find that 'yes' some of us have tried various HV experiments and that is where the problems come in.  I'm not being purposely negative here, just realistic. Your varnished electrodes were obviously never fantastic insulators in the first place - why not try an electrode outside of a glass jar as I stated if you want zero current flow?

Whether you care about what we say or not, is your prerogative, but I fully expect your results to speak for themselves over time, with no input from us.

you will soon find out that using 1200V , 0,1 A will produce the same gas that 12V 10A or 120V 1A

The above is simply not true as you will soon find out from your own testing if you pursue this.  In standard electrolysis, current is the defining factor for gas production - power is relatively irrelevant other than being a factor of efficiency.  So 12V 10A will actually produce 10x more gas than 120V 1A.

What you said would defy Faraday's law of electrolysis, so do you have any theory as to the electrochemistry involved?

Bear in mind that some of us have been experimenting with this for quite some time and/or have backgrounds in science.

I’m not trying to put you off, just pointing out that you are currently covering ground that has been covered many times before, and that what is required now is to look at it from a different perspective.

What are your thoughts on ionisation?  What part are you thinking this plays?

Room, your certainly right about one thing, you only have to insulate one electrode as this will create an open cct. But current won't flow around an open cct, so the electrons are not available unless a charge exchange can also take place at the +anode - and we're back to square one!

[Room3327]

Farrah honey,
  All capacitors are an open circuit!

And I admit that I don't have all the answers.

[Farrah Day]

Generally agreed Room - and none of them give off gas!