What makes Perpetual wheel attempts not work?

[Low-Q]

Hello All;

What makes perpetual wheel attempts not work?

We see allot of opinions, and design. They seem like they are in the correct direction, but do not work. There is talk about friction and the keel effect that looks pretty much what has to be overcome in any  falling weight design. Any opinions out there, on what to do to overcome these frictions and keel effects?

Basicly, the weight you use in a gravity motor are suppose to fall from a given hight. But that weight must be lifted upp there before it falls down. And guess what, it takes the same energy to lift a weight up as it release when it falls down. No magic.

The friction isn't an issue, really. Have you energy to spare, there is energy to fight friction - just like in any ordinary motor. However, friction is the very cause why a gravitymotor stops, because there is no enegy to fight it.

Bottom line:
Any given system that are suppose to work with conservative forces, has never, does not, and will never work. Period

Vidar

[mondrasek]

Any given system that are suppose to work with conservative forces, has never, does not, and will never work. Period

So one might say that the question for gravity (or magnet) wheel builders is, "How do I show that gravity (or magnetism) is not a conservative force?"

[Low-Q]

So one might say that the question for gravity (or magnet) wheel builders is, "How do I show that gravity (or magnetism) is not a conservative force?"

You did hit the nail right on it. It is like placing a heavy stone upon a table, and show how that conserved position can do work. How crazy is it to believe that? The very same conservation is for gravity in general and magnetism.

Vidar

[persume]

So one might say that the question for gravity (or magnet) wheel builders is, "How do I show that gravity (or magnetism) is not a conservative force?"

You can't because they are, and gravity and magnetism have nothing to do with it.

[Low-Q]

You can't because they are, and gravity and magnetism have nothing to do with it.

Do you mean that gravity and magnetism isn't conservative, or has nothing to do with the conservation?

Vidar