What makes Perpetual wheel attempts not work?

[mondrasek]

That makes a waterwheel a heat engine, not a gravity motor !

Gravity is only one of its components, the thing that makes it work is heat.

Hans von Lieven

True, the input energy is heat.

Not sure if I would call it purely a heat engine either, since it cannot work without gravity, as other heat engines can.  It definitely needs both, so maybe it's best described as a hybrid?  The point I wanted to get across was that a waterwheel appears to be driven by gravity, but in fact there is a reset mechanism where the extracted energy is being returned to the system.  Therefore it is not a perpetual motion device like we typically discuss here.

Is there a way to make a waterwheel work without graivity?  Of course a steam turbine can, but I can't think of a waterwheel type design off the top of my head.  Let me know if you have run across one.

M.

[gurangax]

Because we tend to design our wheel based on physics that we learn at school. We tend to think that our mechanical knowledge are complete.Unlike bessler he created a new approach of physics because current physics doesn't approve for perpetual motion (gravity driven wheel). 4 ounce sending 16 ounce flying upwards. This is the key.

A great craftsman would be that man who can "lightly" cause a heavy weight to fly upwards! Who can make a pound-weight rise as 4 ounces fall, or 4 pounds rise as 16 ounces fall. If he can sort that out, the motion will perpetuate itself.

that's what he said. He discovered a new leverage system which he never revealed to the world of science. You must find the key first. My current research for now is to find this key. 1ounce raising 4 ounce of weight. I've come to a very interesting approach which I think never thought  at school but that will be for another story.

All the best.

[cameron sydenham]

 1 pound weight "weighs" 1.705 pounds (in an outward direction) at an orbit of 100 rpm around a fixed point and a radius of 6 inches.

[grayone]

I thank everyone who has been contributing on this thread. For eliminating what will not work, narrows down the field to what may work.

[brian334]

The question for gravity wheel builders is "How do I move a mass from the bottom of the wheel to the top using less force than F = ma?" Without antigravity it would appear impossible. But I personally question if it is impossible in light of the reports of Bessler.

The answer is make it float