The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"

[giantkiller]

This all makes good sense.
2 coils works like a Tesla coil and the 3rd is the collector coil to tap off from, much like a secondary only this would be a trinary arrangement. Could we have here a Telsa coil? Fat, squatty, and umphed up? The discharge is controlled instead of through the air. Could one use construction grade cardboard tubing, like what is used for concrete pylon forms? How about PVC. Just thinking of a base for winding. If you look at the SM17, it looks pretty crisp all the way around the ring.

So once again, we have
1: coil specs, for the 3 coils, gauge, number of turns, and seems direction.
if one looks close at the SM17 you will the outer layer is made up of vertical runs. Anything from 16 gauge to Romex(120v, 12 gauge) household? LOL)


2: clocking circuits. The Tesla coil idea could answer alot of questions. Is 5Khz in the range.
google: what is the frequency range of a tesla coil.
!!!And check this out!!! http://tacashi.tripod.com/elctrncs/ssstc/ssstc.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/80s/sixmhz/trashy.html


3: Any power, kick. I would tend to think a kick start is what is used. Remember the magnet start? And come to think about when SM engergized the 3,6,17 coils, there could have been a momentary switch to a charge cap?

Thanks TAO.

Commitment, Coordination, Completion!

[giantkiller]

Good Morning, Viet Nam!. That's the best Robin Williams I can do except the one about Golf.

After further research...
Is anybody out there not sleeping, jumping out of bed Googling questions 24/7, talking about things at work like you're a nut case?
Obsessive, compulsive, creativity is your disease! But I digress!

I found some web sites with very informative, good specs on Tesla coils and what is on them are specs that fit what Steven Mark has and my claim that the coils are Teslas but with what I think are additions.
If you Google: what is the working freq of a tesla coil or what is the frequency range of a tesla coil ...

then http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/tesla.shtml

then http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfsstc.html 4mhz coil link from above

then http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//index.htm?http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//millietess/millietess.htm Derek Woodroffe's MillieTess project, the cutest little Tesla coil, 2" tall!

then http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//millietess/mtcct3sr.jpg the circuit. Notice the ZTX push / pull stage.

Now back to the 4mhz coil link from above: http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfcirc.gif Notice the ztx push / pull stage

Now if you look at the SM17, you see to large cylinders on top of a heat sink in the center of the device. I contend that they are either a pair transistors as push / pull coil drivers or a pair of Class E oscillators. Look at 'Enter the Class E amplifier?' on
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfsstc.html and focus on the switch explaination. Another similarity, oh my gosh! I feel a party comin' on. In fact!, read the whole darn page. If you don't know electronics, try any way.
This could be stretch, but here goes. In the SM17 (Steven Mark 17" coil), underneath the heat sink are 4 AA batteries connects to a buck/boost circuit to boost the voltage or current only to start the circuit and ever so lightly tap the clock circuit. The coil KICK, back EMF, or the harmonic resonancy does the rest based on the tuning. So me thinks... But we all agree, 'There ain't much there'.

Just for grins: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3cw3z/what.html
This is relating to light generation from high freqs and the connection to UFOs is inescapable. After all, are not our base measurements started from a frequency identification chart? A Tesla coil that generates Ultra-violet? Sure sounds like the NASA videos again...
This is gonna' take us higher

I have the 6" coil in my avatar mounted and will explain and shoot out doco tonight, hopefully in time for the evening rotation in Europe.
It's been two days of googling in the squirrel wheel. I gotta take a bath. My dogs are looking at me like I'm food.

If stay within your boundaries, you will never see what's real.

I am in the 'Friends and family' program. They are all wondering where I at...

[giantkiller]

Thanks Tao. Yes I am big fan of the craft stores also the cloth stores like Hancocks.
I forget about the styro toroids. Man, good snag. I now can duplicate the 6" in my avatar with this new model. Perfect fit!
But as you can see about the avatar the coils are attached by connecting blocks making it totally programmable. Like the old phone bank switch panels. Cool, huh?

So my stance has always been in these threads 'I am willing to do the hardware with any sound ideas upto my discretion. I reserve the right to keep the logic on the decisions short and sweet with minimum flexative diatribe'. Kapeesh? That is the standing offer to all. Tao, let me know if you think the circuits I found look like a fit to you and any misgivings you have about them. I address all here also.
Remember that the smaller circuits are readily expanding into higher power models quicker. And as Tao pointed out (God bless his techno heart) use the simplest materials at hand. We get there quicker!

Also, I have an R&D company and have been at this since I was 12. Designing, hacking, prototyping. My goal always is to come out smelling like a rose on any design problem. No vanity here. What I mean is "Commitment, Coordination, Completion".  Those words embellish the team spirit and group coordination. Give me bit here and I will throw the doco here. You can see by my avatar, "I mean business, I mean done". Sounds like Donald Trump, huh? Once again, anybody need proof? Google: Doomrod

[Jdo300]

Hi giantkiller,

I like your go get-em attitude. I'm all about the bench testing also. Just today, I went to the hardware store to get a few feet of 3/8" clear vinyl tubing that I will be using to wrap the collector coils and control coils on. To do this, I will cut a length of the tubing to make the diameter toroid that I want (I'm shooting for something in the range of 4-6 inches in diameter). Next, I will split the tubing along the length and wind a bunch of either 16, 20, or 24 gauge magnet wire (haven?t decided which yet) through the inside of the tube to make the collector windings. I also ordered some litz wire on eBay to experiment with later on too. Next, I will wrap four coils around the outside of the tube toroidally in the same fashion as you to make a rotating field when I pulse the input signals into it.

I will also make two other tube sets like the first to make the three collector/control coil sets. After doing some testing, I may also wrap some wire around all three of them toroidally to see what that does. But I have a sneaking suspicion that I will get some revealing results just with one tube for now.

The biggest challenge I face at the moment is how to properly phase shift the input pulses to the coils by 90 degrees to get the fields to rotate. My immediate thought is to wire it like a two-phase motor and use a capacitor to offset the second set of coils by 90. Another thought is to make each coil pare a tank circuit and then feed the frequency into one and let the other one oscillate through induction from the first tank. (Have no idea if this will work like I think though). How do you plan to offset the input signals by 90 degrees?

God Bless,
Jason O

P.S. Does anyone have any theories on what the third toroidal coil that is wrapped around all three collector coils does? It is clear to me that the "coils wrapped in segments" around the collector are meant to make some kind of rotating field, but I'm not sure about the one that is wrapped all the way around all three.

[lancaIV]

There shall exist a third kind of energy !

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