Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[stgpcm]

Several conclusions are already emerging.

First, WM2D is internally flawed and should not be used for modeling in the case we're discussing, except for determining the center of mass.

There is no such conclusion. You are saying this - in part because the wheels in wm2d will from some start position roll backwards. The exact same result is found by people who have built real wheels. should we not use the real world because physics works differently to AutoCad?

The only scientifically sound analysis so far is by using AutoCAD.

Providing you tell it to construct the correct vectors, you could use it as a poor man's analysis tool. You don't, so it's a case of garbage in, garbage out. After all, your Autocad calculations don't go backwards where real wheels do.

In absence of friction:

The form of the slots doesn't seem to be of decisive importance for the [purported] perpetuum mobile effect.

agreed, however the shape of the slots are of great significance to the amount of resultant force, between the moving and stationary parts, so slot design is very important to reduce friction.

This is a question that needs a systematic, quantitative (not gut) analysis.

Indeed. just like calculating the torques shouldn't be done on your gut feeling of which vectors to construct, and shouldn't involve simply ignoring components of vectors that you don't want to account for.

[Cloxxki]

Dar, I am greatly impressed with your analysis and presentations. It looks very logical, seems exactly like what Abeling might be hiding, and actually comes close to some other setups I proposed.
It's much more extreme though, the weights coming so far inward. I need to consider taking my ideas to the next level as well, I may have been too conservative, because of Abeling's intentionally vague images.
If a device like you propose "works", I have good hope we'l be able to come up with an equal or better system, totally non-infringing Abeling's patent. Which is our ultimate goal, I would say.

[beastmastre]

Thanks, @Cloxxki.

@stgpcm, I also think the shape of the slots is important. If you look back a few posts at the wheel image, you can see that I changed the slots from a Hockey stick to a sort of Field Hockey stick. But that's just a rough idea of what I think it should be. I actually think it should follow a sine wave curve, just to the top of it's arc. (I took it further than that in this draft but that would cause a catch in the system.) A sine wave is cyclic, and this is a cyclic system. From what I've seen here, @stgpcm, you know your trigonometry. I haven't done trig in years, so your skills may be invaluable. It looks like the guide path will have some waveform curves also, as well as circular curves.

@All, friction reduction is easy. I had already worked this out but hadn't posted it yet. There's already something common in the real world that reduces friction as much as possible in order to transport massive amounts of weight. A choo-choo train. If you take two train wheels, swap them around and put them together, you get one wheel that can ride on the two edges of one track like the guide rails & slots. See images. The flanges on the sides wouldn't touch anything unless the roller got knocked sideways.

Dar

[Cloxxki]

I was thinking along the same lines for the same reasons, yet had the shaped inverted. I had pointy weights, and flanged shots and ramps. If a flange gets damaged, it better be on the weight which is easier replacable. And yes, the rails are easier to fabricate for the wheel, so your design looks better.

Has anyone come up with a better than posted so far explanation why Abeling is looking into glued together (fibre)glass? Friction, durability, moldability, production cost, carbon footprint?

[Omnibus]

Useful information would be to cite Handbook values for materials with least friction. As I've already mentioned Teflon seems like a good candidate for both the wheel and the track. The optimum construction is also still unclear (systematically determined, not by just assuming). THe troque analysis confirms definitively perpetuum mobile effect in absence of friction. Now all the attention should be directed towards optimization the design and materials to decrease friction.

Also, as I've already said, it should not be assumed that Abeling has anything. He hasn't shown a working device and the efforts here to build one are independent of what appears he might or might not have shown in the video and the patent. This type os a device is known in principle for centuries, it's been said that no one has ever made it working but, in view of the latest findings, that's highly questionable. If we can solve the friction problem we'll have a working device too, happily turning despite all the propaganda telling us it can't be done. As for Abeling's role, it's mainly in him being bold and determinate to put demonstrate that someone can be so determined despite all the odds. Stefan has done a similar thing by establishing this forum.