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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

@Cloxxki,

Terminal velocity is beside the point. Like I said more than once, you cannot ignore the physical traversing of the entire path for a given physical time. When you do that (refuse to ignore that) you'll end up finding out that same quantity of potential energy gives rise to different quantities of kinetic energy. That's a clear violation of CoE. How this is to be used for practical purposes is an entirely different matter.

Cloxxki

Your conclusions stem from incorrect assumptions and understandings, supported by general stubbornness and fanatic faith in OU. I really tried, with examples. As have others.

Please sketch a setup to explain this COE violation. I will take a level ruler to your sketch and show you how high your ball will roll. If you don't use your excess KE or PE for making up height, was are you using it for?
Educate me. I thought I had this all figured out when I was 12.

Omnibus

No sketches needed. Look at the experiments and you'll convince yourself that the ball on the longer track arrives sooner at the final point which means it has had higher velocity while traversing the path from beginning to end than the other ball. Having higher velocity only means that it had higher kinetic energy overall. Different value of kinetic energy from the same potential energy is a violation of CoE. That's not an assumption but an experimental fact.

mscoffman

@All

There are two facts;

a) It would have been very easy to use a magic marker
to mark an 'X' and a 'Y' on each ball in order to prove
their fungiability in two experimental runs, where they
would be interchanged on their tracks.

<- experimental protocol was violated here.

b) It would have been very easy to subtlety alter one
of the balls to have constant radial material density,
without changing it's overall weight excessively.

So what I am saying is not that balls don't run the
track at different rates, but that the difference
that we see in the video may have been enhanced
by the balls not really being interchangeable, and
by using slight of hand during the experiment.

...What you see is not necessarily what you get...

Also, it may be possible to demonstrate this effect
using the Phun Physics Simulator.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Omnibus

QuoteSo what I am saying is not that balls don't run the
track at different rates, but that the difference
that we see in the video may have been enhanced
by the balls not really being interchangeable, and
by using slight of hand during the experiment.

Well, if that were the case then it would be a hoax and we should ignore it. However, it isn't because such variational problem is known for centuries. What's new here is its implication for physics which has been ignored so far.