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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

In addition to the fact that the center of mass is always sideways with respect to the center of rotation at any position of the wheel (that is, the lever rule is persistently violated at every position of the wheel) which can be verified at once using WM2D, the total torque calculated for every position of the wheel is always of negative value, as is seen in the graph below. These two facts prove that inherently the wheel at hand is an overunity device. If a technical way is found for friction to be decreased below the limit of obstructing the inherent OU effect (OU effect is inherent, friction is changeable, depending on the skills of the builder) a working perpetuum mobile can be built.

spinn_MP

Lol, Ok, Omni, try to comprehend this:

An usefull work is something that you can ACTUALLY use to do something... And, a "zero loss environment" doesn't guarantee you that. 
"Sjack's Abeling's wheel" is a dead duck. One of the many, many, previously understood concepts.

Btw, why don't you start with Leonardo's calculations? Wrt. "overbalance", that is? And even Leonardo had a "version of Sjack Abelings"  concept in his papers... (lol)

And, why are you so frustrated with a friction? Surely, you should be more concerned about the "useful work"?
Friction would be just a small part (losses) of the (otherwise) WORKING device.

Typically, energy IN equals to energy OUT ("useful work" + "losses").


Omnibus

It's just propaganda that perpetuum mobile has never been made because, obviously, the concept it is based on is viable and therefore doable. Unfortunately, the mainstream resoirces and infrastructure are deliberately diverted to mostly fruitless projects.

As for useful work, the work done by violating the lever rule is an example of useful work. Persistently violating the lever rule, as in the device at hand, known for centuries, is persistent doing of useful work. Working internal combustion engines also do useful work but when increasing friction by, say, placing sand inside an ICE will make it non-working. That doesn't mean that ICE's cannot do useful work.

spinn_MP


rlortie

Quote from: Omnibus on January 29, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
In addition to the fact that the center of mass is always sideways with respect to the center of rotation at any position of the wheel (that is, the lever rule is persistently violated at every position of the wheel) which can be verified at once using WM2D, the total torque calculated for every position of the wheel is always of negative value, as is seen in the graph below. These two facts prove that inherently the wheel at hand is an overunity device. If a technical way is found for friction to be decreased below the limit of obstructing the inherent OU effect (OU effect is inherent, friction is changeable, depending on the skills of the builder) a working perpetuum mobile can be built.

Omnibus,

I do not post on this forum very often any more, it is guys like you and P-motion that have driven me away. You keep screaming about how good Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel is but yet you post a wm2D graph showing negative torque for every position of the wheel. when will you come to your senses and get off your soap box. 

This thread is now 161 pages long and pushing it's third year of existence. Some of the best members to be found have built, modified, and experimented with similar proto-types.  All to no avail, this thing will never work. I advised Preston Stroud of that fact when he offered to collaborate with me on his build. I told him that I was not interested because it will not work.

My biggest bitch is to be interrupted with e-mail notifications that a new post has been made on this thread which should by all rights be dead and closed.

As for Abling's website stating that they were having problems with the machine running away with itself is a crock of bull.  The machine has never worked, in fact I rather doubt if the build of his plywood proto-type shown in his introductory video was ever finished.

Please take your negative results stating that it will produce power to some other forum, or at least to a different catagory that I am not linked to.

Ralph