Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[Grimer]

Btw, high order derivatives (like the rate of change of acceleration) are just a mathematical description of a physical motion (not an energy source).

Absolutely right. And the isothermal legs and adiabatic legs of the Carnot cycle are also just mathematical descriptions of piston motion and are not in themselves an energy source either. It is the way they are put together that makes them derive energy from the thermal gradient. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to realise that. 

After all, as Harvey has pointed out on Fizzx, there's nothing new about deriving energy from gravity. Tides do it all the time. Think of the Bessler Wheel as a human scale tide. It makes it feel more homely. 

[Cherryman]

@Cherryman,

Can you remove the motor altogether replacing it by a pin and make sure that there's noting anywhere in the program acting as a motor? I'm talking about your KAD9 as well as KAD10.

I Can do that, but it doesn't work the, otherwise i would be cheering a little harder 

I think it's a bug in WD2D that when you remove the motor the structure falls apart..  So I have to rebuilt them.. That will be not tonight.

You can do it yorself to. Just select and erease everything besides the shapes and rebuilt it. It ain't that many parts.

[Grimer]

@AquariuZ
I was surprised when I read that Henkel answered your e-mail. "Glue attachments challenges"? Why not! And they say it's a serious project...
(quantity of the glue needed?)

Glue is used in the manufacture of fibreglass composite. If glued composites are good enough for the wings of the A380 I guess they are good enough for a Bessler Wheel, eh!

Bessler used wood, a natural composite. But I've no doubt he would have used fibre glass if he were building his wheel today. Boat builders also used to use natural composite but have now turned to man made composite.

[Omnibus]

@canam101,

I don't care for this motor compared to Mylow's. The reason is that Mylow's motor involved complex interactions between magnets, and it was possible to fantasize that there was something mysterious and unknown to science going on.

Mylow’s and any other magnet motor for that matter doesn’t differ in its basic principle from a gravity motor because ultimately it’s a contraption which defies the commonly held belief that conservative forces cannot be harnessed through a proper construction to cause displacement for which no energy from a pre-existing energy reservoir is spent. This is what’s unrecognized rather than unknown, in science. A gravity motor, such as the one allegedly constructed by Sjack Abeling is in many respects more interesting in common conditions than a magnet motor because of the ubiquitous gravity. Of course, a magnetic motor is more independent and can work also under conditions of no gravity, in space, say.

But this wheel of Abelings is too easy to visualize. I mean, a ball rolls down a ramp, pulled by gravity, then rolls up the other side of the ramp. It is obvious that the ball will not reach the same height as it started out at because of friction. We've all played with something like this at one time or another.

It just isn't mysterious enough. And Abeling's flimsy-looking wooden gizmo isn't too inspiring either.

If Abeling could work in a few magnets, he might have something, but I don't think this one can go very far, at least not to the 230 message mark that Mylow's is at.

We’ve all played with a ball, as you describe it. However, we’ve never played with a contraption whereby the ball you’re talking about will be assisted by another ball to reach the same height as it started out and overcome friction, the same way that other ball will be assisted by still another ball and so on and so forth, all that due to a certain very specific construction of a device. We’ve never played with such a thing and Sjack Abeling not only claims he has it but he says he’s turning it into an industry. That’s no joke, if true, and Mylow’s, also if true, pales in comparison, at present.

[Omnibus]

@spinner,

Anyway, you can check your concepts easily.
True gravity/overbalanced wheel would start from a standstill all by it's own.

But that’s what Sjack Abeling claims his device is doing.

I hope you'll get an answer from that other institution, too. (Dutch authority which supposedly gave a permission to build the Abeling Gravity plants)...

But you may say again ‘why not?’, if this Dutch institution confirms it has indeed given the permission, the way you said it regarding Henkel. If Henkel’s confirmation isn’t convincing enough to you why should this be? The truth is, nothing can prove the validity of Sjack Abeling’s claim or any other claim for that matter but independent verification by third parties.