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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

@Grimer,

Academics are comfortable in their theory of relativity swamp while society has to rely on truck drivers to come up with something sensible. We’re living in tragic times. Real dead-end.

hansvonlieven

All that our good Professor did was hedging his bets. That is what academia does. Ask them for a definitive statement on something controversial and all you get is weasel talk.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Grimer

Quote from: AquariuZ on April 06, 2009, 01:42:45 PM
Just gotten off the (mobile) phone with Sjack Abeling, he was calm, very polite and informative.

Where to start:

IT IS REAL

He has a partnership with Henkel for the glue techniques and Erik (Engine/Turbines/Generators) has the commission for the generators.

Money is not the real issue, he has core investors.The Patent(s) are handled by a commercial company, and he is confident they will be accepted. The word Perpetuum Mobile or infinity is not used and should not be desired.A basic agreement is made with the Ministry of Economic affairs.

It is all exactly as stated. The core of the system is the Dual Leverage System as described. He says it works with an incredible acceleration from stand still and the main engineering issue is the correct way to keep the system from destroying itself, in other words containment via some form of advanced braking system. He said that is what is he spending most of his time on right now.

He was sorry he could not divulge any information yet, but the investors will not allow him to present anything as a stipulation of their providing Venture Capital. He said however that the moment he gets the ok he will start a tour across schools for starters. He mentioned that he would update the site with what he could, but in the short term (weeks) no full disclosure is to be expected.

In closing I asked if he would want to say anything to the members on this forum:

"Volhouden, het is zeker mogelijk" which means:

"Persevere, it is indeed possible".

I do not know if I should laugh or cry because on the one hand after having spoken to him I am convinced he is for real and on the other hand I really fear his invention will be bought & suppressed by a some corporation...

It is too early to tell.

Cheer up AquariuZ. I think it's real too cos I can understand what is going on. At first I thought it must be an extension of the work of that New Zealander, Bruce de Palma. But I now see that Sjack is probably invoking a higher derivative than acceleration, i.e. rate of change of acceleration. This will really unhinge the internal gyros..

After all, Sjack isn't the first is he. There was that fat bloke, Bob, a few years ago - and though that one has never seen the full light of day, it hasn't been disproved either.

I realise it is very difficult for people to believe that when they push against an object to accelerate it, they are only doing the equivalent of turning their steering wheel (in a modern car) but nature has evidently developed servo-mechanisms long before we thought of them. Not surprising really is it?
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising  -  Fair as the moon. Bright as the sun  -  Terrible as an army set in battle array.

Grimer

The way one can be received by internal servos can easily be demonstrated in the case of rotational inertia by filling a black box with free running gyros in gimbals. If the gimbals are free then it is easy to rotate the box. Lock the gimbals and the rotational inertia (mass if you didn't understand what mass really is and didn't know what was going on) increases enormously.

Likewise, any decent engineer could devise a railway waggon where if you pushed against it with a force of 1 pound, release of gyro energy would drive the wheels with a force of 1000 pounds.
The human pusher would be deceived into thinking that the mass of the carriage was far less than in reality since he would judge the mass from the acceleration produced by the force he applied. He would  not realise that the energy he was putting in was merely a control energy which was being multiplied a thousand times by the machinery inside the waggon.
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising  -  Fair as the moon. Bright as the sun  -  Terrible as an army set in battle array.

Grimer

Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 07, 2009, 03:13:25 AM
All that our good Professor did was hedging his bets. That is what academia does. Ask them for a definitive statement on something controversial and all you get is weasel talk.

Hans von Lieven

Not only that, but if you confront them with a totally heretical idea together with substantial evidence all you will get is silence. In short if you challenge them to fight, they back off and slink away. Early in my career I realised it made far more sense to see materials as held together from without rather than from within - with all the implications as to the existence of the aether that this implied. In short, that internal tensions were merely negations, reduction in external pressure.

An international conference was coming up in which we had to present our experimental work. I realised that to be true to myself I must put forward this heretical view. I wasn't looking forward to it and expected to be lynched (metaphorically speaking). To my amazement the only comment we got was some chap who came up after the conference dinner looking very worried and said,

"That paper of yours. It was a hoax, wasn't it?"

We fell about laughing and assured him that we were deadly serious. I don't think he believed us.

To be quite honest I came to the conclusion that people only go to those conferences for the beer.

Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising  -  Fair as the moon. Bright as the sun  -  Terrible as an army set in battle array.