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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 17, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
I guess that answers my earlier question.  >:(

Hans von Lieven

BTW. How come we are still hoping when we really know better.

Go figure   ??? ???



These ideas are an obvious dead-end and no time and effort should be wasted on them. The only hope in Abeling's case is whether or not there can be a combination of proper wheel spokes and what we call here “egg”-shaped groove, which would ensure persistent violation of the lever balance rule. If you can prove that no such combination can exist then this project is a goner.

hansvonlieven

G'day Omnibus,

As long as there is a black box in the system that supposedly does something unknown to science but the principle of which is not revealed by the inventor there is no way to prove that such a system cannot work.

All scam merchants rely on this.  >:(

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Omnibus

Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 18, 2009, 12:46:25 AM
G'day Omnibus,

As long as there is a black box in the system that supposedly does something unknown to science but the principle of which is not revealed by the inventor there is no way to prove that such a system cannot work.

All scam merchants rely on this.  >:(

Hans von Lieven

I don't think the fact that something is unknown to science can be an argument invalidating it. Every discovery has been unknown to science. This seems more like, if I may offer an analogy, proving that a given polynomial can never have certain types of roots. Until that's rigorously proven opinions that because it hasn't been known to science (hasn't been proven so far) it obviously is so have no merit. In our case, we have to prove that there can never be a combination of any form of the egg-shaped track with any form of the wheel spoke which will ever produce a persistent violation of the lever balance rule. The solution to this problem isn't evident.

That's the nature of what scientists do -- offer solutions that thus far have been unknown to science. Only engineers tackle problems based on phenomena known to science.

khabe

15 days - 90 pages  and ... not any working models?
Come on, guys!
8)
cheers,
khabe

AquariuZ

Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 17, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
I guess that answers my earlier question.  >:(

Hans von Lieven

BTW. How come we are still hoping when we really know better.

Go figure   ??? ???



Because Bessler did it.

Or do you have doubts he did?