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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

@All,

Those who are reading this exchange shouldn't be misled by the semantics which Hans likes to play with. This isn't a literary conversation and it is well known in what sense the term unbalanced wheel is used here -- unbalanced wheel in this conversation is a wheel whose center of mass is always to the right (in the discussed case) of the axis of rotation for any thinkable position of that wheel. One such wheel is the one in Abeling's patent. Such wheel, even without an external impetus, always seeks equilibrium and never finds it.

hansvonlieven

Quote from: Omnibus on May 09, 2009, 08:56:46 PM
@All,

Those who are reading this exchange shouldn't be misled by the semantics which Hans likes to play with. This isn't a literary conversation and it is well known in what sense the term unbalanced wheel is used here -- unbalanced wheel in this conversation is a wheel whose center of mass is always to the right (in the discussed case) of the axis of rotation for any thinkable position of that wheel. One such wheel is the one in Abeling's patent. Such wheel, even without an external impetus, always seeks equilibrium and never finds it.

There is no such unbalanced wheel in Abeling's patent howevermuch you want to see it that way. Abelings patent is Patent Nonsense!

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Tink

Hans, do you mean to say the Dutch government and all the companies working with Sjack Abeling are just plain stupid?
Can so many people be so stupid?
Synergy is the key to free energy.

Omnibus

Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 09, 2009, 09:11:26 PM
There is no such unbalanced wheel in Abeling's patent howevermuch you want to see it that way. Abelings patent is Patent Nonsense!

Hans von Lieven

That's some opinion of yours which contradicts the evidence.

Omnibus

@eisenficker2000,

In these five wm2d files (attached below) you may see five different positions of a wheel similar to yours with the same mass as yours and eight spheres also having same mass as your weights. These files are only intended to observe the position of the center of mass with respect to the axis of rotation and in no way are they intended to be seen spinning, using wm2d. While wm2d can correctly calculate and place the center of mass (which is the crucial parameter we're interested in) it is unfit for other simulations in our case.

As seen, unlike a pendulum-like wheel which seeks equilibrium after being deflected from it, having the center  of mass sway to an fro from right to left side vs. the pivot and back, in this wheel (the model of your wheel) the center of mass is persistently to the right of the axis of rotation no matter what the position of the wheel. That's the good part. That's a proof that your wheel is indeed a perpetuum mobile.

The bad part is that the discrepancy in the mass center and axle positions is quite small and that, being the driving phenomenon, will probably be insufficient to overcome prominent friction forces which even a brief look at your rig suggests.

Therefore, in addition to efforts to reduce these prominent friction forces efforts seem to be necessary to optimize the desired persistently-unbalanced performance of your wheel. One way is to decrease the mass of the wheel itself and increase the mass of the weights. Another, more involved way is to seek optimal track-guide relationships and that is the very essence of this project, isn't it?

Good luck and don't give up. Even a watchmaker can't produce a quality watch just like that and this pursuit is even more involved.